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Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn't matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he's too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That's what Russia is. So much for "corrupt Ukraine". No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn't have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it's funny I don't see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.
Maybe Ukraine couldn't retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.
Ukraine was probably close to as corrupt as the Russians have never stopped bleating, but:
They have delivered a pyrrhic victory.
Russia thought they could take Kyiv (Ukraine?) on 3 days.
The fact that Ukraine has resisted so hard, have redefined the modern battlefield, have conducted huge deep strikes...
Ukraine is winning.
The reason Ukraine may not be "winning" is because the Russian war machine is huge. Like really really big.
The reason that Ukraine is "winning" is because the Russian war machine is outdated and corrupt.
The western opinion of Russia has been devastated. Russia tested themselves, and failed.
Russia is holding on by their nukes.
Didn't they lose 30 percent of thier land?
20%, but most of it was already occupied since 2014 and the ongoing skirmishes in the east
They might if they keep flying drones into NATO airspace.
Or maybe Putin decided the bot farmers were needed at the front lines as drone fodder.
I'm just concerned about what happens if things start to go really badly for the Russians. Nothing good can come of a nuclear superpower that feels threatened and backed into a corner, either by the enemy or their own populace.
They were ground to a standstill in Afghanistan too, and the apocalypse failed to materialize.
Some geriatic leaders were shown to be incompetent, so they were replaced by other elderly drunks.
The USA does business with Vietnam but not Cuba. Strategically the countries are not the same.
This is inaccurate on two fronts.
Well? Where's your counter-argunent? I'm listening...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Ukrainian_counteroffensive
I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link that only serves to support the other person's argument! Come on, man, you can do better than that! Show me what you got!
You get what you pay for. The 2023 counteroffensive was a total flop. It was so bad that Prigozhin's whole mercenary company walked away from the front lines and marched on Moscow without costing Russia an iota of stolen territory.
You could learn how and why it failed, if you bothered to read the finer details. But you've chosen to be a cheerleader for a disastrous management of the world's fifth largest military instead. Might as well announce you're a die-hard fan of William McClellan as defend the Ukrainian top brass.
Why are you defining Ukraine's performance over on one battle? That's like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila. You are conveniently forgetting the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive, the destruction of Russian Black Sea fleet and the ongoing drone campaigns. Those are good planning. The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak and the Russians knew of the plan and had time to dig in. The best comparison to this is the WWII Battle of Kursk and when Rommel attacked first before the British does, because they knew what's coming thanks of intelligence leaks.
competence does not in any way indicate an absence of corruption
One of the symptoms of corruption is diversion of critical resources to private pockets.
Yeah, OK, all systems have some level of corruption, but setting binary thinking aside, in Ukraine, it can't be of great magnitude or they couldn't fight.
Cool story
[Argument]
[Counter argument]
"Uhhhh I don't care"
Your baseless speculation does not in any way constitute a counter-argument, it is pure wishful thinking to avoid confronting the very real possibility that the US is about to lose another proxy war
Oh that wasn't me, I just noticed you chickening out of addressing their valid counter-argument.
Like I said, not a counter-argument, wishful thinking, cope
I coped by summarizing for anyone else skimming the discussion
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
I feel bad for the Ukrainian men, they're getting dragged into a meatgrinder for US imperalism.
It's a fucking tragedy how many innocent lives are still ending for an empire on the way out