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Isn't that kind of the point? You don't get very far hiding in a social setting. You're on a public website talking to other people. Your posts should be public, comments, etc. At least people should treat all websites or apps they didn't develop personally like they're public. I mean you don't really have a right to privacy in public.
And I'm not trying to say this with some malicious tone or anything but it's just my view on it.
Posts and comments is one thing... It's inherently public. But I think being able to see up and down vote publically is a tough pill. If you don't realize your votes can be seen you risk your vote being held against you. If you do know it disincentivizes you to use the vote system to protect yourself from something that should be rather benign.
At least you know the instance host isn’t selling your data right? The advertisers already have it 🤪
I was kind of joking, but now that I think about it isn’t that better? The problem isn’t really advertisers having your data, it’s companies doing skeezy things to be able to make more money with your data.
This way, instance hosts are free from that incentive and can just focus on making a good website.
Damn. That’s a tough pill to swallow.
I was kind of joking, but now that I think about it isn’t that better? The problem isn’t really advertisers having your data, it’s companies doing skeezy things to be able to make more money with your data.
This way, instance hosts are free from that incentive and can just focus on making a good website.
I mean I didn't upvote or downvote porn on Reddit either. It's all personal information.
On Reddit there were plenty of people with access and the data was sold to advertisers.
Here it's public, not great but not terrible either. Also makes it easier to battle vote brigading?
It also makes it easier to profile users and weed out anyone who disagrees about literally anything.
Like, you guys need to consider not every admin is a paragon of virtue.
But that has always been a thing. Just like Reddit mods banning you from their subreddit just because you posted in another subreddit they didn't like. It sucks, but it's nothing new.
If either a server admin or a community mod doesn't like you for what you're doing, they can kick you out. It's the same as if this was an old time forum and you pissed off the admin.
With lemmy you have to watch two things:
Trust the instance admin you sign up with, this is where your account data lives, the admin can read everything on your account. Hell, even your password if they manipulated the instance code, so use a random one
Trust the moderators of the communities you interact with. If you interact with a community and the mods there don't like you, they can just remove your posts for example. Same as with Reddit
A random person outside of your instance or communities you interact with can't do much. They can "steal" your posts and comment data and see your votes. But that's it. They can't block your account or kick you out of your favorite communities. They could obviously harass you (just your account, not your email), but then you can block them. Or ask the admin to block their entire instance.
That's my only concern. I don't mind my comments to be public. That's what a public place is, unlike other social media platforms who claim to be but they're not. It's, like you mentioned, the upvote/downvote system that I'm worried about and will refrain from using. Because it is public, too, it feels like it lets people read your thoughts. So, I'll refrain from using it until it's fixed.
Still unexpected. And that's the problem.
Comments are obviously public because I can read them. But there is no "upvoted by xx people (and downvoted by xx)" link I can click to see the list of people who interacted this way with the post. It's only with API calls or similar that I can access the information.
kbin has the ability to see activity including upvotes, boosts, and downvotes from the UI for entries, comments, and microblogs
I was about to call OP out as a liar but I didn't realise this was specific to kbin.
The same data is also there on lemmy, there just isn't an UI element to display it. That's why op said admins can see it, but on Kbin users can too.
Don't think people should be expected to be developers to consider their right to privacy on websites where contents meant to be private. Like online banking, instant messaging. Let's not strip devs of these services of their responsibility.
I am looking forward to new apps having the option to show this kind of information.
Still unexpected. And that's the problem.
Comments are obviously public because I can read them. But there is no "upvoted by xx people (and downvoted by xx)" link I can click to see the list of people who interacted this way with the post. It's only with API calls or similar that I can access the information.
In case of pitchforks: I downvoted this comment because it's a duplicate, not because it's bad.
Most of my downvotes on lemmy has been for this reason.