99
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2025
99 points (100.0% liked)
news
24560 readers
607 users here now
Welcome to c/news! We aim to foster a book-club type environment for discussion and critical analysis of the news. Our policy objectives are:
-
To learn about and discuss meaningful news, analysis and perspectives from around the world, with a focus on news outside the Anglosphere and beyond what is normally seen in corporate media (e.g. anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist, Marxist, Indigenous, LGBTQ, people of colour).
-
To encourage community members to contribute commentary and for others to thoughtfully engage with this material.
-
To support healthy and good faith discussion as comrades, sharpening our analytical skills and helping one another better understand geopolitics.
We ask community members to appreciate the uncertainty inherent in critical analysis of current events, the need to constantly learn, and take part in the community with humility. None of us are the One True Leftist, not even you, the reader.
Newcomm and Newsmega Rules:
The Hexbear Code of Conduct and Terms of Service apply here.
-
Link titles: Please use informative link titles. Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed.
-
Content warnings: Posts on the newscomm and top-level replies on the newsmega should use content warnings appropriately. Please be thoughtful about wording and triggers when describing awful things in post titles.
-
Fake news: No fake news posts ever, including April 1st. Deliberate fake news posting is a bannable offense. If you mistakenly post fake news the mod team may ask you to delete/modify the post or we may delete it ourselves.
-
Link sources: All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. If you are citing a Twitter post as news, please include the Xcancel.com (or another Nitter instance) or at least strip out identifier information from the twitter link. There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance, such as Libredirect or archive them as you would any other reactionary source.
-
Archive sites: We highly encourage use of non-paywalled archive sites (i.e. archive.is, web.archive.org, ghostarchive.org) so that links are widely accessible to the community and so that reactionary sources don’t derive data/ad revenue from Hexbear users. If you see a link without an archive link, please archive it yourself and add it to the thread, ask the OP to fix it, or report to mods. Including text of articles in threads is welcome.
-
Low effort material: Avoid memes/jokes/shitposts in newscomm posts and top-level replies to the newsmega. This kind of content is OK in post replies and in newsmega sub-threads. We encourage the community to balance their contribution of low effort material with effort posts, links to real news/analysis, and meaningful engagement with material posted in the community.
-
American politics: Discussion and effort posts on the (potential) material impacts of American electoral politics is welcome, but the never-ending circus of American Politics© Brought to You by Mountain Dew™ is not welcome. This refers to polling, pundit reactions, electoral horse races, rumors of who might run, etc.
-
Electoralism: Please try to avoid struggle sessions about the value of voting/taking part in the electoral system in the West. c/electoralism is right over there.
-
AI Slop: Don't post AI generated content. Posts about AI race/chip wars/data centers are fine.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
huh
I kinda thought we wouldn't get a civil war this century. It just doesn't make sense, the geography isn't right for it. Red states and blue states are too much interdependent, the parties holding power tend to do so on fairly slim majorities, and the cultural differences are frankly overstated. It's all the same logic of production, all private ownership backed up and mediated by state constitutions that all look pretty damn similar.
But I guess we're blundering along into one anyway? Cus everyone across the various leaderships feels urged to act, but none of them want to do the work of thinking it through, so we just get a mess whatever each individual seems to think is the easiest response to hand? This seems bizarre. Like, everyone involved is sleepwalking, they all seem to know they're sleepwalking, but they expect to just wake up at some point and then its back to business as usual.
Does this post even make any sense? Am I missing something?
It’s not even a red state-blue state divide, it’s an urban/rural divide. City folk and country folk airing grievances at each other, some of them legitimate, but mostly just attributing the failure of neoliberalism to deliver the ideal future they imagined to the other group for having a different set of cultural totems.
Which is why the rhetoric gets more agitated and the stunts more grandiose, but there’s no thinking through the process, as you observe. It’s a very id-driven politics, everyone wants immediate retribution for perceived slights, but it’s all knee jerk, no consideration of the why and how of the situation.
The maddening thing about the urban/rural divide is that over the last ~150 years, the differences between the two have shrunk! By a lot. We all get our food from the grocery store! We all have to drive to get anywhere! We're all plugged into the same television/internet! And, of course as you point out, WE'RE ALL PLAGUED BY NEOLIBERALISM!
aaaaaaghhghghhg
Currently the big divide between rural and urban is racial integration; in lots of cities white people have shrunk from a majority to a plurality, and there's much greater richess of diversity in cultural influences. On the other hand, lots of rural areas are basically still "whites-only" sunset towns.
That's why conservatives are obsessed with talking about "sanctuary cities", "Democrat-run cities", "urban crime", "burning down cities", "city warzone", it's just dogwhistles for "we think civil rights was a mistake and segregation never should have ended".
Yeah... yeah. God but this country never really changes does it? It feels that way sometimes.
There is an urban/rural divide but the red/blue divide is very real.
Rural New England isn’t anything like the rural midwest
I don't know why everyone seems to think it's ever going to be along a corporate party divide. If civil war breaks out, democrats are probably going to go collaborationist faster than you can say "we're all in this together".
Democrats have all the backbone of a pressure cooked chicken, the establishment will not rise up in arms unless Trump overplays his hand so recklessly and violently that a breeze might tip him over. If it starts, it's gonna be due to some regional economic considerations like energy policy/water autonomy along the Rio Colorado, discontent over land rights and agricultural policy in the Heartland, some shit like that.