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what are you on about? one can be anti-russia and anti-nazi and I'd go as far as to say that that's a fairly common position
Or just don't. Stop taking sides in the rich man's wars.
Americans and being pro-war. Its more likely than you think.
Just rhetorically? Is a Tinkerbell thing, where saying "I don't believe in Ukraine" kills a fairy and then I need to clap really hard to bring Ukraine back to life?
Or are we supposed to be doing something in particular, like SWATing any of my neighbors I catch using Cyrillic?
So I need to support the abstract concept of self-determination, but I don't need to support he physical means by which that self-determination is achieved? Why? What could possibly be the purpose of this?
Okay. So the purpose of supporting the underdogs in a grisly war that only seems to benefit the MIC is to... feel sad? That's it? All of this is just an exercise in media-induced depression?
Again, why the fuck would I want to do this?
I'm more concerned with the reflexive need to pick a team and then get incredibly angry at your neighbors if they're not on the same foreign-policy team. You're clearly invested in doing something, if you believe
So what's the plan? What are you suggesting "support" looks like?
Because, right now, I'm seeing a lot of generic hysteria and hate aimed at anyone with a Russian ethnicity (among other ethnicities that people are "aligning" with Russia).
Does caring about things mean taking a certain posture towards people? Does this posture affect the material conditions of those people?
Is your definition of "doing something" just "being low-key racist" towards anyone you track as insufficiently pro-~~American~~Ukrainian.
Because I went through that shit after 9/11. People running around to every Mosque and screaming at Muslims to prove that they care about things. I remember people cheering at waterboarding, because it proved that you cared about things. I remember how you had to be a zealous supporter of the next big war, to prove you cared about things. And if you didn't, it could cost you. Your social circle. Your career. Potentially your life, depending on how heated things got.
We going to "care about" Ukraine like that, too?
That's exactly what being "pro"/"anti" Russian is.
This isn't self-determination, it is states feuding over the border line. Might as well apply self-determination to CSA diehards chanting "States' Rights" as Azov dorks.
The only ethical position is an anti-war position. Any assertion that you can ethically fling high explosives across a countryside is false. It can't be done in any context.
Color Revolution, which resulted in a coup of the sitting government
which cascaded into a civil war against East Ukrainian seperatists
that only ended with a Russian invasion in defense of the Donetsk rebels.
Which was the "one state" that kicked this mess off? Because I can't find it. I see no less than three separate states actively involved for over a decade.
Change "de-Ukrainisation" with "de-Ba'athification" and that's the argument I have been pitched since 2003, yes. Totally legitimate and 100% justifiable, so long as you can claim an existential threat to your motherland.
You can say what you will about the Russians and their ham-fisted efforts at mitigating the conflict. But when NATO is proposing the extension of short-range missiles into your next door neighbor's territory, they at least had a better "can't let that smoking gun become a mushroom cloud" argument than anyone in DC did twenty years ago.
(woke neoliberal voice) "Biden is RACIST! He is cruelly removing the agency of Mexicans to cross the border to sell their blood. Blood work is work you fucking Stalinist authoritarian!"
It's not like I (or most people) want the war to continue and people to die, we just don't want Russia to be able to just invade countries and take land as they please. If an end can be brought to the war that ensures that Ukraine maintains their own territory then obviously that is the ideal scenario
I suppose you may be inclined to point out the hypocrisy of an anti-imperial stance from someone from a Western country but I wouldn't support my own country if they were invading a nation for personal gain as in this case
Why did Obama and his shriveled sentient fleshlight Biden overthrow Yakunovich a decade ago?
Ukraine would still have Crimea and the Donbass. There would be no civil war. Ethnic Russians would continue to live in Ukraine as normal without a gun to their back, as would the rest of Ukrainian people. There would be no Azov or Bandera worship. No ceasefire violations or Minsk treaties being broken. Most importantly, Russia wouldn't be at war with Ukraine and millions not needing to flee. No aspiration for Ukraine to join NATO. No SMO. But :amerikkka:.
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Death to America
Emphasis on "ideal"
People are idiots, "common position" doesn't mean anything.
Perhaps I'm too optimistic 😛
A radlib is called that because they are radical liberals
yeah but it's "radical" to go around telling people they are Hitler because they dislike an imperialist invasion in the same way that it's "radical" to wear underwear on your head