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[-] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And slavery isn't capitalism? Or is that cooperative because the slaveholder says "I have a knife and will kill you" and the slave says "I don't want to die" so it's mutual collaboration where the slave doesn't die but also is a slave?

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

You can have slavery under global capitalism (we do) and our last few thousands of years have been very bad for a lot of humans, but it seems like we weren't always oppressing each other and on the contrary we have been egalitarian most of the time anatomical humans existed, hence why the human nature argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[-] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 3 days ago

When was this? How good are the records from this time? Seems like for at least the last 12000 years (biblical era) we were for the most part miserable, diseased, and exploitative

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Look into anthropology and such, obviously that falls squarely before history and written records.

[-] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 3 days ago

But it's still our best guess at something we think we can prove.

I can vaguely recall several stories of fossilized remains which indicate all sorts of horrible things being performed on humans or related by tool users, which seems to imply in pre-history humans were still shit to each other.

So are there counter-examples?

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, there are. While human groups sometimes fought each other due to competition for scarce resources, within groups we seem to have been very communitarian, taking care of our wounded and elderly even when conditions were harsh.

Look at this example.

We're social animals, we would have never survived extinction if it weren't for traits like empathy and cooperation.

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