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You can purchase used electric cars too.
There are no electric cars that don't track you except for the really old NiMH Rangers and Rav4s and whatnot that they leased to fleets in California back in the day. Even the very first mass-market Nissan Leaf had unacceptable telemetry from day 1.
I remember reading maybe a year ago that Nissian pushed an update to those Leaf's that prevented them from charging during certain hours so you couldn't get the benefit of cheap electricity rates. Either that or they just took away your ability to set specific charging times to the same affect.
Thats what I will be doing.
Battery degradation and telemetry/surveillance will still be large issues if you do that.
Just for Leafs and some of the short range compliance cars like Golfs that don't have active thermal management of the battery. The old SparkEV batteries are following the expected curve mostly: about 10% loss in the 8yr warranty period, followed by relative plateau of slow degradation mitigated somewhat by its overprovisioning. Hyundai and Kia etc. batteries should be fine, for example.
Telemetry is just as much a problem though.
10% over 8yrs to me is a huge loss. Think of a 2004 vehicle. That doesn't seem too old and certainly lots of those vehicles have modern expected amenities. It would have lost 25% of it's fuel tank size today if it had a battery instead. Diesel hybrids would be a great solution for outstanding fuel economy that would last for many, many, many years
No no, after initial degradation, the battery health levels off and stays around 90% for a long while, generally.
My ICE vehicles are maintained but don't have the new car fuel efficiency either. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have lost 15% since they are pretty old.
Recent research shows that batteries are likely to outlast the body of most EVs, if the battery is not abused.
Also, people overestimate the typical daily range used with the primary or secondary vehicles, but even short range EVs cover the average daily drive for most.
That'll certainly be very interesting to see how accurate that is over time. Would be a game changer.
Who would though? The marketing idea pushed to the public is that no oil changes means they need no maintenance. They are mechanical devices not magical devices. They require maintenance to stay in good working order like anything. Suspension, brakes (although less often with regeneration systems), tires, wipers, air filters, coolant, batteries 12v not just the rechargeable, transmission fluid (gear box oil on Teslas iirc), etc. This no maintenance myth has turned them into throw away disposable e waste. Not to mention the lack of service for repairing the batteries and computers in the USA leading to insurance totaling the vehicles and them ending up rebuilt in Ukraine.
My biggest worry with used EV is the batteries. Me living in a tropical country that can reach 40°C that has to take a big toll on battery health.
The other thing stopping me buying a new car is my old car still works fine and I don't want to be in debt again for a car.