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[-] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wonder what kind of parallels can be drawn with Ukraine now and China during WW2 (when the communists allied with the nationalists in order to fend off the Japanese). Perhaps strategically it makes sense for Russian communists to "support" Russia in order to stave off NATO. This would give more breathing room for leftist agitation inside of Russia (and eastern Ukraine for that matter, perhaps western Ukraine too I hope).

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Definitely more breathing room

Much easier for the communists to defeat the Russian state than all of NATO

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

NATO kill count: Tens of Millions

Russia kill count: Tens of Thousands

Some libs in here really require perspective

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

It's probably in the millions at least because of shock therapy doomjak

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

The shock therapy was done by the west to Russia. Are you saying that Russia should receive millions? That’s like blaming the massacre of Indonesian communists on the communists

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

uh... i mean the massacre of indonesian communists wasnt done by the american military, it was done by the indonesians as a proxy of the west. the russian government started as a proxy of the west for shock therapy. they participated.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

the russian government started as a proxy of the west for shock therapy. they participated.

Comprador traitors indeed, but not the current Russian state or people. This is extreme levels of victim blaming of the Russian people and using their own deaths and suffering against them

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

???

it was the government doing it. not the russian people. im literally czech the same shit happened to us you dolt

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

These exact parallels have been discussed here quite a bit. The class breakdown of China in WW2 was that the communists (representing the landless peasants and proletariat) built a temporary alliance with the national bourgeois (the local owners) in order to fight outside colonizers, invaders and the international bourgeois (global imperialist capital hegemony).

Russia, Iran, Syria, Belarus, Brazil and others are currently representing the national bourgeois in this alliance with the proletariat states of China, Cuba, DPRK, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc. They are temporarily allied to defeat the greater enemy, the international bourgeois of imperialist capital (NATO, America, UK, EU, Israel, Anglo-nations).

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