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I would prefer my privacy software to be developed by people like this, rather than people who are calm and flexible
Its all fine until their approach of privacy or security differs with what's best for the project, then there's no reasoning with them to fix it because they're not calm and flexible. Then ya gotta fork it and get everyone to transition to the new fork, and get developers back onboard, etc.
A crazy, but pointed example of something like this could be: the dude could just claim grapheneos going forward will not have networking anymore because thats an attack vector, and at that point the project doesn't even suite anyone's needs to be used as a smartphone anymore. How are you gonna reason with someone like this that, while keeping networking in the project is an attack vector, its necessary to be able to use the project for it's intended use case? You probably aren't
Not sure why this completly made up hypothetical scenario has so many upvotes. There is litteraly no evidence of this happening.
Even the opposite is the case, just recently with the preview releases which are opt-in.
The guy being paranoid asshole is passable, what I thought a really shit move is calling the community to create alt accs to harass people from other projects and saying he will ban anyone that complains. The Rossmann video is quite shocking, you see the dev's complete disassociation with reality... yeah the code is open, but how many people outside the project are really auditing it? Even people inside the project, are they auditing each others' work? If the guy doesn't get treatment, how long until he decides his own userbase is after him?
admittedly i'm not up to date on all the drama, but i thought that graphene saw themselves as victims of alt attacks?
So yeah, it seems like he accuses everyone of persecuting and harassing him, but in those videos there are several examples of what he considers persecuting and harassing. Both channels were highly supportive of the project and actively promoted it, but because they would also promote other projects and do benchmark tests, they were "spreading misinformation", "being biased", "campaigning against him" and so on. And in the second video he accused the guy of campaigning against him just for saying "This is informative, and unfortunate" about the first video lol. So him being a "victim" is just his lack of proper medication, because anyone who asked him about such attacks, if he had prints or so, was also accused of attacking him lol
https://youtu.be/Dx7CZ-2Bajg
https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0
Undoubtly GrapheneOS is the best project out there, so yeah, this is unfortunate.
Not sure why you write all that without mentioning that he stepped down as the project head after this.
if it's not the same guy running the acc then my bad.
Sry I dont know, i think it is the same guy? i just mean they stepped down as the project lead in 2023, and are now a director https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/daniel-micay-publicly-steps-down-as-project-leader-of-grapheneos/12677
Strange, I put the same link in one of my comments and a mod removed it.
OR, France is an evil, genocidal, ethnostate full of pedophiles, so we should maybe apply our Israel-tinted glasses and presume France to be the villain until we have concrete proof otherwise rather than blaming the victim.
None of the content above has anything to do with France - but he did take the opportunity to claim two other projects based on France are persecuting him as well, so he kinda has a pattern. As I commented to some other user in the other post, it’s The Boy Who Cried Wolf problem - those two videos are full of documentation of his modus operandi.
He is literally claiming that the French police and state are behind this campaign against Graphene, and I believe him knowing how the French are, but believe what you want...
Again, those videos aren’t about this French stuff, but about him claiming every other Android project is after him and that everyone who asks too much about his project is after him. The first video is from 2021 and the other from 2023. No relation to him claiming the French government is after him now.
Then why present this as recent concern about the project if it's a personality trait going back years and unrelated to the French smear campaign I suspect you are financed by?
What's the "French smear campaign"? Where do I get paid to participate?
So far all I've seen is a single newspaper making an article about how criminals like GrapheneOS, a clickbait even Linus used on his channel - you know what, I suspect Linus is being financed by the French as well!
As for why: Those videos show how the "drama and accusations" work. The Boy Who Called Wolf.
If France is becoming hostile to privacy though, great that he is moving out, GrapheneOS is still by far the best mobile project for privacy. It would probably benefit greatly if its main dev didn’t spend so much time on social media.
Sure, it would also benefit it if the French state weren't going after a civilian project... I will grant it's a lot, but how would YOU react to a G7 member state going after you with a smear campaign?
I don't think that one cop that one journalist interviewed is a representative of a G7 country, I actually believe he is representing the whole NATO! Run Daniel! Run!
Sure sure first it was the CalyxOS guys, then youtubers and now the French Government. Lets say it is true I don't believe him cause he's a crazy asshole.
Guys an asshole and has always been one.
Yes, the minority is harassing the majority. Hmm, very logical.
Very documented.
Just the other day when GOS publicly said on X "It’s very possible Murena and/or iodé are involved" in the supposed French police/government harassment (so far this whole "government sponsored campaign" was one journalist from one private newspaper that contacted them after talking to one cop and made one article saying criminals like GOS and police don't), the guy from Murena posted on Mastodon "I'd like to state very clearly that Murena and e Foundation are not related in case to this ridiculous and pseudo-drama. What we seek is to totally ignore these guys, and have nothing to do with them. And again, and again, despite what they are repeating, we are NOT competitors, as we are not in the hardened-security market spaces.", then a GOS fake account showed up saying "very funny to quote from a report filled with misinformation without checking and use it as an excuse to attack GrapheneOs. GrapheneOS never said Murena and iode are associated with French government" BUT they LITERALLY said "It’s very possible Murena and/or iodé are involved" and now are pretending the accusation is misinformation and they are the ones being attacked lol https://infosec.exchange/@deacon3484/115609244634105198
Also it seem that whenever you directly quote or take a screenshot of what they are saying, you are lying and spreading misinformation, they can't take responsibility for anything, it's quite sad - I wouldn't be surprised if I was to be accused of engaging a harassment campaign against them as well, even though I never went to any of their channels nor talked to any of them, my whole interaction with GOS was that one reply to a fake acc they created (edit: Not a fake acc, possibly not related to GOS, so in that case I never had contact with anyone from GOS)
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Pls link the x post you mentioned before wrongly referencing me as a Gos fake account
Sorry, as the acc had no previous interaction with anything but that post I assumed it was a disposable acc. The screenshot of that comment is in the very same article, but you can also check it here https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/1991610031478042948#m (nitter frontend link)
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I didn't know they made such claim. I don't think there's any evidence indicating eOS has French government backdoors.
Sorry again about referencing you as a fake acc, there is a screenshot I'm hunting now about a call to users to create disposable accs to respond to social media posts that will give a better context for my assumption, but I removed the whole content of that previous post anyway.