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"Subtle". I can not pronounce it in a way that it sounds different to "saddle".
Native. I say suttle. It's a dirty word from the spelling in fairness.
Subtle is spelled weird, but rhymes with muddle. Do you also pronounce "mad" and "mud" the same way? With my accent they have the same first vowel sounds as saddle and subtle
Pretty sure subtle rhymes with shuttle.
Sure, but shuttle also rhymes with muddle in my East coast US accent, at least in normal conversation. I can force myself to slow down and really enunciate the T, but even then the difference is easy to miss.
According to the Macmillan they are [ˈsʌt(ə)l] vs [ˈsæd(ə)l], so the vowel changes slightly, but it depends on the speaker; I'm not native but I say saddle with a more open "a". But they're otherwise almost identical to me (in the British pronunciation included in the dictionary I hear a "t" both times, in the American one a "d" both times - which is how I say it too)
So you could say the difference...
Is subtle.
I'll see myself out.
Does it sound like "bat" when you say "butt"?