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[-] lib1@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A ton of US seals use eagles holding either 3 or 13 arrows. 3 is specifically used by the Department of War which is why it’s used here.

The seal of the US Senate actually uses fasces directly, but had been doing so for over 100 years by the time Mussolini got around to them.

I can’t find a good source but I believe that the bundle of arrows is actually Haudenosaunee symbolism, not Roman or fascist. The founding fathers were, at the very least, familiar with Haudenosaunee use of bundles of arrows to represent unity.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I can’t find a good source but I believe that the bundle of arrows is actually Haudenosaunee symbolism, not Roman or fascist.

It is, but it was also used in Europe and Asia for centuries, for example it is Spanish symbol for unity used in XV century (that's why it was also used by Falangists and became widely recognized fascist symbol), it was also used by various nomad confederations, for example Hungarians name come from it (Hungarian fascists also used it as their symbol), and it's also used in Secret History of the Mongols by Temujin's mother meaning it was so well known to serve as the commonly understood metaphor.

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