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Ukraine--the county literally being invaded by Russia--is an imperialist, war mongering tyrant? Get the fuck out of here with this slop. Could've just left it with the main flags, but throwing Ukraine's flag in there is legit braindead Chinese/Russian trolling.
I laughed at seeing Finnish flag there. TORILLE
"How can they not be a Good Guy if they're fighting a Bad Guy!"
Liberals continue to get there politics from capeshit.
Just openly admitting that you see all foreigners as interchangeable villains.
Any open war is an absolute worst thing any country can do.
And by opening a conflict, it makes the other side automatically looking better. Irregardless of any history or precedens.
Specially if it drags for years. Just go back and let it be.
An open war is absolutely not even close to the worst thing a country can do
What is?
Just go home and let those guys keep bombing their own citizens, they'll figure it out on their own
And don't even get me started on intervening with a country commiting active genocide, that's their business
Fucking yes.
Provide aid to those affected, open corridors so people can run away, but never start a full scale war.
Fuck everyone who has ever done that, way more than anyone else.
I was being sarcastic, you're a child
Okay, you have now chosen neutrality in the face of genocide. You are a Good German
Uh, what? Look at the context of this post, jackass. The meme is trying to portray Russia as a misunderstood good guy while everyone else is evil. I agree with most of the evil flags being there rightfully, but Ukraine is literally defending itself from unjustified invasion. Jfc, it's crazy this has to be explained. Just look at the entire history of Russia's aggression and bullying of Ukraine and try to tell me with a straight face that they're unjustified in defending themselves from a foreign aggressor.
The flag of Russia isn't even in the meme, "jackass." The flag of the USSR is, though sadly it hasn't existed for a few decades now. Like most clueless liberals happily drowning in propaganda, you are falsely equating modern capitalist Russia with the USSR.
And that's not even getting into the fact that even modern Russia (whose flag appears nowhere in this image, genius) was wholly justified in entering the civil war that had already been ongoing inside Ukraine on behalf of the eastern regions of Ukraine whose civilians were being slaughtered by the Ukrainian government's militias. But I admit that it's hard to keep a straight face when talking to someone who uses NATO buzzwords like "unjustified foreign aggressor" because I keep having to facepalm.
Kiev is run by Bandera-upholding Neo-Nazis that took power in the western-backed Euromaidan coup in 2014. Since then, 13,000+ civilians in the Donbass region have been killed by the Kiev regime, which is why Donetsk and Luhansk voted to secede. Communists generally support Russian intervention to protect the DPR and LPR against the western-backed fascists, who shortly before Russian intervention had ammassed huge forces to invade the Donbass region and retake it.
Ukraine is supported by the west for similar reasons as Israel, they are governed by the far-right and serve western interests in their respective regions.
These are a lot of assertions that you've stated as fact without any proof - can you provide independent non-government sanctioned sources for your claims?
Sure, here are even some western government sanctioned sources.
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that's why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
There's an abundance of evidence, just like there is for the genocide of Palestine. Liberals tend to downplay both.
This is always where the conversation ends
Sometimes they just ignore you and repeat what they already said.
*Often
TBF it’s often the commenter’s first exposure to any of this, and that most of it comes from respected Western sources makes them hard to brush off.
That's why I like shamelessly stealing the sources you compiled, even if other sources also help it's nice to have the "west admitted it though" card.
Not this time it seams.
Valid, those sources do paint a pretty appalling picture of Ukraine and it's massive Neo-Nazi problem - I can argue on the specific numbers as they don't fully reflect what you said but I agree that there are real issues with Azov's integration, Bandera glorification, and the disproportionate far-right influence.
However, I'd ask you to also acknowledge that Russia has an equally serious neo-Nazi problem that fundamentally undermines the "denazification" justification for the invasion. And I don't think it's whataboutism to pointing out that the stated moral basis for the war is hypocritical. And this is clearly established by both Russian state and independent media:
1.Putin himself admitted Wagner PMC was fully state-funded:
2.Wagner's neo-Nazi leadership:
3."Rusich" leader Aleksey Milchakov - is an openly psychopathic Nazi:
4.Neo-Nazi Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) founder Denis Gariyev received at least 15 million rubles worth of government contracts from Russia's FSB, FSO, and Ministry of Internal Affairs
5.Putin's contradictions:
So my point overall: Ukraine absolutely has a far-right problem that needs addressing and the US and Europe are propping them up as they align with their neoliberal and geopolitical values. But Russia claiming to "denazify" Ukraine while:
...makes "denazification" a cynical propaganda justification rather than a genuine moral concern.
So I think if we're serious about being anti-imperialist we have to recognize that if it's bad for neolibs to use Nazis in Ukraine for their imperial interests then it's also bad for Russia to use Nazis for their own imperialist goals.
It's possible for two imperialist forces to be bad - and you can then start comparing which is worse but at that point you're doing imperialist apologia which imo isn't a serious critique for a socialist to be doing.
There are 2 critical errors you're making here, and thus why your critique falls flat and lifeless:
The Nazis in Ukraine aren't just emboldened by the state, but in control of it. Russia is governed by nationalists, not by Nazis. Ukraine isn't simply using Nazis to further their aims, but the west is using Ukrainian Nazis to further their aims.
Russia is not imperialist. It has a paltry amount of finance capital, and no colonies nor neo-colonies. Its status as a capitalist nation no longer imperialized by the west like they were in the 90s strategically aligns then with the global south. This is why, say, the Sahel States turned to Russia for support in their national revolution against imperialism. Russia doesn't participate in unequal exchange, it doesn't keep tech monopoly nor does it undermine global south development.
I'm not doing imperialist apologia, you're incorrectly identifying this as an inter-imperialist proxy war and as a consequence misanalyze the situation. This is why reading theory and studying the class components of the states involved, and their positions in world imperialism, are necessary.
Begging liberals to stop thinking of the world in terms of "good guys and bad guys" like overgrown toddlers and start looking at things in terms of cause and effect like adults
No it doesn't, you're strawmanning
You think being invaded automatically makes a country good?
Seriously? The ussr and russia are completly different countries with a different political and ecenomic agenda the meme is by no means supporting the russian federation, it is supporting the ussr.
Ukraine isn’t imperialist; it’s a vassal of US empire.
How would you come to that conclusion?
The west treats Ukraine like they do Israel. After the western-supported Euromaidan coup in 2014, they've armed millitant Banderites to crack down on communists and geopolitical adversaries of the west.
Its government came to power as a result of a US-backed coup, for starters.
edit: For the record, I upvoted you because your question is fair and valid if you don't know the history and context of the situation. And the western media where many people understandably (if sadly) get their information from will never provide that history and context. That is why we get these confidently ignorant people coming into threads like this gobsmacked that anyone can deny what they see as the obvious truth of Russia's "unjustified invasion by a foreign aggressor."
If the US is running the show then yeah it's definitely imperialism, we've very clearly succeeded in mongering up a war there, and I do recall some pretty unambiguous reports of the current regime in Ukraine directly suppressing opposition parties and suspending elections
Ukraine is a vassal of western imperialists, similar to Israel.
So it makes it okay for a foreign country to invade them without just cause?
There was just cause. The Kiev regime has killed 13,000 civilians in the Donbass region, and had amassed huge amounts of troops to retake the seperatist regions shortly before Russian intervention stopped the invasion.
Is eight years of ethnic cleansing, three broken treaties and potential nukes in the hands of a nazi junta not "just cause" enough for you?
No, it makes it okay for a foreign country to invade with just cause when there was...
Yeah not sure what Ukraine is doing there, clearly a troll. But not even the Soviet Union, China, US, UK all the other does not excuse them from their atrocities. They are all bad, it does not matter if a Communist or a Capitalist is oppressing you, oppression is oppression. Trying to excuse your oppression by referring to the other side does it too is not a valid argument. People deserve freedom not subjugation
Good job, that’s exactly the understanding and framing that the Council on Foreign Relations wants you to have.
Nobody is making such an argument.
Ok then, that was always allowed.
There are a few critical flaws here.
Ukraine is here for the same reason Israel is, both are vassals of western imperialists that help secure western interests in their respective regions. No trolling here.
The US and UK are far more oppressive with far more atrocities globally than either the USSR or PRC. Nobody is trying to point to other countries being bad to say that excuses oppression, but that the actual differences between socialist countries and imperialist ones is massive.
Uhuh
I bet your hand instinctively went to gift them gold before you wrote this
Whoops, forgot I was on and ml instance. Don't try to be reasonable in an ml instance