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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

starting to feel a little more justified that the USA and other cringe Angloid countries would get fucking decked in a real war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

It was a simulation of a war between the USA and Iran, carried out by the USA. The US lost quite badly. I'll add stuff in brackets

Red (Iran in the simulation), commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's (USA) sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue (USA in the simulation), essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships: one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of Blue's six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.

They then proceeded to change all the rules of the simulation to make the USA win lol

Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force (Iran in the simulation) was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and during a combined parachute assault by the 82nd Airborne Division and Marines air assaulting on the then new and still controversial CV-22, Van Riper's forces were ordered not to shoot down any of the approaching aircraft.[5][6] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force (USA in the simulation), and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[7]

[-] JosipBRUHTito@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

Huh so forget China vaporizing every carrier battle group within range instantly, Iran could also do this, according to the Pentagon...

Did they use this to ask for more money???

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

I edited my original comment now, so you can read that for what they did, they re ran the simulation and changed the rules so America would win.

And then they asked for more money lol.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

The Straight of Hormuz has always been a known death-trap for the American surface fleet. It's narrow enough that it could easily be saturated with anti-shipping missiles, mines, or small boats armed with missiles or suicide payloads. The credible threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz has been an important factor in imperialist planning since '79.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz#Events

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