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I’ve seen the word “professionalism” come up in a lot of people’s complaints about nuTrek, but that concept of professional behaviour is something I just don’t value. If the people you’re working with stop respecting you because you choose to sit comfortably or let out an exuberant “fuck yeah!” when things go great, I think you’re working with the wrong people. I think only unserious and immature people would worry about that.
I’m also one of those who embraces the “scientists” view of Starfleet over the “military” view, so that might be a factor. I like to see the crew comfortable at their jobs and loving what they do.
So all of that is to say I’m 110% down with Holly Hunter letting her piggies out, and I don’t think that reflects badly on her or her gender in the least.
The word "professionalism" here a common dogwhistle for "obedience" and "conformity". It's use in this context is almost exclusively directed towards women, but also sometimes to black men.
When Micheal Burhnam disobeys orders it's "unprofessional", when Worf or Picard does it, it's "bold". When Ake sits down unconventionally it's "unprofessional", when Riker does it, it's a quirky and beloved part of his character. etc. etc.
Yeah I’d say you hit the nail on the head. In a franchise that thought Spock saying his superiors should “go to hell” was such a great line they had Data ape it two films later, “professional” seems to be a label some characters have easier access to than others.
If I based my esteem for things on how popular they are, I’d have never gotten into Star Trek. It was decidedly unpopular with my cohort at the time.
For what it’s worth I adore old school Trek. Just like I think it would be dumb to judge someone for being comfy or exuberant, I also wouldn’t judge someone for preferring a reserved demeanour like dear old Picard.
I also remember Geordi building model ships in engineering and running off to play with Data on the holodeck, so I don’t really see an incompatibility between the eras.
I mean, look at this scene. Is it really that far off from Tilly dropping her enthusiastic F bombs?
https://youtu.be/Lr64khTqyYQ
Which one is curling up in a comfy chair with a good book? Crass or dumb?
EDIT: I apologize. This was a bit snarkier in tone than I intended, and probably escalated conversations in ways that I shouldn’t have. A more civil way to put it is I disagree on the standard of “seriousness” ascribed to the earlier Star Trek series; take the Riker maeuver, for instance.
Ah, yes, Star Trek, the “dead serious” show.
Complaining about "kids these days ruining Star Trek" is just sad, Bud. If you can't engage with people on here without insulting them based on an assumed trait, kindly find another place to talk about Trek.
And, just so we're clear, I'm old enough that I've been watching Trek since before TNG was in production, and my favourite episodes have always been the silly ones.
Remember when Kirk and Spock went to the gangster planet, and Kirk got really into the role?
Remember when Worf, Alexander, and Troi were trapped on the holodeck populated by western archetypes that all had Data's face and abilities, including the busty saloon madame? Talk about fully functional.
Remember when, in the middle of a war with an existential threat, the crew of DS9 stopped to play baseball against Sisko's academy bully?
Remember when the Doctor started day dreaming, including improvising an opera about how Tuvok was overtaken by the pon'farr, and the potato shaped aliens using him to spy on the crew thought everything he was imagining was real?
Remember almost every holodeck, Ferengi, mirror universe, or Lawaxana Troi episode? Star Trek can be deep and serious and meaningful, but it can also be very, very silly. And that's awesome.
What is your evidence that Trek is doomed?
Also, if you don't like the shows currently being produced, is it really that sad?
You do understand the differences between modern television making and 25 years ago, correct?
If modern era Trek was really so unsustainable, would they be going into their ninth year of it?
You’re going to need to back those claims up with some actual evidence beyond whiney youtube conspiracy nonsense
“Alla maraine! Count to four! Alla maraine, then three more! Alla maraine, then you’ll see. Alla maraine, you’ll come with me!”
lol. You out yourself by citing Red Letter Media as if that is anything to take seriously other than a source of potential mis/disinformation on any given topic.
I’ve been watching Trek since TOS was in first run. I’ve actually worked with real life military.
Your attitude and comments strongly suggest you have neither experience.
Current Star Trek is in no way less credible than the franchise was in any previous era of production. Yes, it’s making different choices for a different generation of audience but on balance it’s just as authentic.
“The Magicians in Space”, “Vampire Diaries in Space”, “Gossip Girl in Space”, you’ve got a million of these. I’d have trouble naming so many shows I don’t like. I forget about them pretty quickly because I just stop watching them and never engage with their fandom.
Something to consider.
They're all great shows, which are not Star Trek.
That’s genuinely very confusing. When someone tells me a show is like another show I like, but in space, that’s usually an endorsement. Gene Roddenberry literally pitched Star Trek as “Wagon Train in Space”.
Haven’t seen Wagon Train either, but I’d guess Forbidden Planet and The Twilight Zone were actually bigger influences. But everything has some antecedent, no shame in that.
We're only two episodes in, but yeah, I'd say SFA is angling for something pretty unique. Space setting aside, not many YA shows concern themselves with the nation-building of a failed state. I'm not hugely versed, but wrapping your second episode around a diplomatic conference seems pretty unusual for the genre.
Maybe. It's certainly a gamble. I think it's off to a good start, so I hope it pays off. But mine isn't the job that's on the line, so I'm not gonna stress about it. I just watch if it interests me.