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[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I'm atheist but Jesus definitely references hell in the Bible

A quick Google search returned this (a few are from the new testament and the evangelists):

https://bibletolife.com/resources/verse-collections/33-bible-verses-on-hell/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23327403313&gbraid=0AAAAAoQ3EMbRTOXZgsVfcZl7ZtKbhQK9m

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is incorrect. The word “hell” is not Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic and does not occur anywhere in scripture. Every time you see the word “hell” that word has been intentionally mistranslated from other words that already have clear, unambiguous meanings. Aside from word choices, the concept itself originates in Hellenism, the literal Greek Hades. The Roman cults injected their own tradition into the growing Christian cult, and gradually it evolved in the cartoonishly silly “fiery underworld of eternal torture” concept, a very convenient tool for controlling a populace through dogmatic terror.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Where can I read more on this?

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

That's about the word "hell". The concept is there. In fact many of the verses do not mention the name of the place, just the description or punishment

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

The concept is also not there. In the Hebrew the word sheol is used. This literally means “the grave” and is used for death and the dead, exactly as we understand it in a modern secular sense.

Gehenna is one of the words used by Jesus. This is dripping with meaning from the Old Testament, where children were burned alive in sacrifice to other gods and buried in a potters field nearby. It is symbolic of meaningless, pointless, anti-covenantal death, then being anonymously buried and forgotten like garbage, rather than beloved family.

Jesus also uses Hades — literally the Greek underworld — for a parable to a Hellenist audience. The parable is about culpability and the permanence of the consequences of wickedness. Wicked people would not be swayed even by a dead relative appearing and warning them. This is a parable, a literary device, not a sudden declaration that the Hellenist underworld, foreign to Judaism, is physically objectively real.

Jewish scripture is surprisingly consistent about this. Dead means dead. None of the New Testament authors contradict this. The controversy of the time was whether the dead would be resurrected and judged at the end of all things. That mythology began during the Maccabean revolt — which is also when the book of Daniel was written and assembled — and which is a major influence on Jesus and his teaching. In that mythology, dead is still dead, but they will be resurrected and judged. The righteous will be given a retirement plan and eternal life in a new creation, those who are not found righteous will be burned like trash and remain dead and forgotten forever.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure that the Abrahamic concept of Hell isn't from Hades, since Hades is not a place of suffering, just a place where dead people go without punishments or rewards, a concept that occurs in many, many religions. Tartarus, on the other hand, is more similar to the Abrahamic (or especially Christian) Hell, but the main distinction here is that Tartarus is reserved for the people that the gods are REALLY pissed with.

Basically, ancient Hellenic afterlife can be split into three places: Elysium, for very, very good people, Tartarus, for very, very bad people, and Hades for everyone else.

this post was submitted on 17 Jan 2026
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