"I saved you from being sent to hell."
"Wait, who was going to send me to hell?"
"I was"
"..."
"Praise and worship pls, I suffered a lot for this."
The OG conservative undiagnosed-something parent.
Won't someone unmute jeezus
What difference would that make?
Fuck me, I laughed way too hard at that.
I'd like to hear what he's saying, for one.
"You been whippin' them bankers like how I said to do? I best not be finding out you let Caesar co-opt my message in order to continue on the imperial project that killed me"
Hell yeah
EAT THE RICH
I think or something along those lines
Hell yeah
(OT: nice nostalgic username btw. Reminds me I have to take my back pain medication.)
Remember, the concept of hell doesn’t exist anywhere in Jewish or Christian scripture. It’s a much later Hellenist addition.
I'm atheist but Jesus definitely references hell in the Bible
A quick Google search returned this (a few are from the new testament and the evangelists):
This is incorrect. The word “hell” is not Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic and does not occur anywhere in scripture. Every time you see the word “hell” that word has been intentionally mistranslated from other words that already have clear, unambiguous meanings. Aside from word choices, the concept itself originates in Hellenism, the literal Greek Hades. The Roman cults injected their own tradition into the growing Christian cult, and gradually it evolved in the cartoonishly silly “fiery underworld of eternal torture” concept, a very convenient tool for controlling a populace through dogmatic terror.
Where can I read more on this?
🎵 When I was a young man, the Romans
Took me up to Golgotha, to be a martyred man
I said, "Son, when you grow up, would you be
The savior of the poor, sick, the homeless, and the damned?" 🎵
🎵🥁🥁🥁🎶🥁🥁🥁🎶🥁🥁🥁🎵
Remember that religion is true to the poor, false to the rich, and useful to the powerful.
False to the rich when inconvenient, yes, even as they wrap themselves in the mantle of it for public appearance.
I never understood the most basic, fundamental point of Christianity - how does Jesus getting crucified forgive my sins? Is it some sort of ancient Christian bar bet?
"Oh, you think it's so easy? You get crucified, and if you really do it, I'll forgive everybody's sins."
"That's bullshit. You won't do that."
"I'll go you one better - I'll forgive their sins forever.
All right, you got a bet!"
If I committed a murder, that murder doesn't just go away just because some random, third party person died somewhere, 2000 years ago. My victim is still dead, the family is still sad, and I'm still a murderer.
The next time I'm in front of a judge, can I claim my crimes are already absolved because a guy died long ago? Of course not, I'm going to jail. The government doesn't buy that story because it makes no sense, and I'm not buying it either.
Edit: Numerous insightful replies, I'm impressed. Thanks, gang!
It's based on the old idea of offering sacrifices to atone for sins. Do bad thing, sacrifice a dove or whatever to God to make up for it.
The idea is that God decided to do away with the sacrifice system using said system, by sending and then accepting a sacrifice great and pure enough to wipe the slate clean forevermore - his own self/son.
I've heard that it hits people from cultures where they do still sacrifice for every sin particularly hard - we might not have the frame of reference to really get this fully anymore.
There's one thing that still bugs me about this narrative. Jesus wasn't a sacrifice. He wasn't killed as an offering to God for the sins of humanity. He was killed because he was giving the peasants ideas that the ruling class didn't like. Unless God sending him to Earth in the first place was the sacrifice, by the logic that God knew how it would turn out. But then God is the one offering the sacrifice... to God.
Excellent perspective.
how does Jesus getting crucified forgive my sins? Is it some sort of ancient Christian bar bet?
Speaking as someone literally brought up in a cult like environment, it's just one of the many nonsense word-salad doctrines that people live by when those people were never able to separate their feelings from their world. IE: there is a segment of the population who do not have a distinction between an outside world, separate from their feelings about it.
This is a reflection of how the brain works at a most basic level. It's not a logic tool for reasoning out problems, not by default at least. It's default instruction state is to assemble experiences and associations to write a story to explain how you feel, and it doesn't actually have objective understanding about the world, so those stories do not need to make sense.
When you really, truly internalize and digest this fact, you will understand so much about yourself and others. You can overcome some depressive episodes and know how to make people like you, how to manage addiction and unhealthy behavior and how to avoid being manipulated by others, and so much more. It's vastly important we understand this about our brains.
You have to actually train your brain to actually analyze and understand the world around you in a way that shows you how you and the world relate to each other. Most people don't do this work, but brains are good enough at taking advantage of your environment that they can still get through life... but it leaves a lot of room for huge errors in reasoning. In fact, it's not conscious reasoning at all, it's story-building followed by total acceptance of this story without question because you think it's you reasoning, but it's just how your brain weaves narratives in your mind.
So for the people who never learned this distinction, they just feel a thing, and then either let their brains assemble a story to explain it, or they latch onto someone else's supplied story. This is how people are manipulated on mass scales.
"Jesus died for your sins" makes no logical sense, but it's not meant to, it's meant to make you feel like something is being done about the thing you worry most about, if you're going to see your loved ones again in heaven. That's a paralyzing fear for almost every human who's ever lived. Our awareness of death has opened a huge vulnerability in our reasoning skills and caused us more death and harm than if we didn't worry about it so much.
Once you have a McGuffin that makes you feel protected from this thing you fear most, you are more likely to reinforce and build further narratives around this idea to protect it. To not protect it, to dismantle it and try to figure it out is literally painful to many people, because it invites in the question... What if you're wrong?" and even approaching that question makes people who have never processed these emotions absolutely fall apart.
edit: I want to add one thing, that the more you think about the really hard thing, your inevitable end, it becomes easier to accept and make peace with. Especially as you get older and more aware of your own limitations and realize you're kinda stuck on rails in this life. There is no bigger story or experience you will miss out on.
Yeah it would have been way easier for the apparently all good, all knowing, all powerful god to just, you know, forgive us, but that wouldn't have made for a good book
The whole thing about Jesus saving us by suffering and dying.... If god was all powerful, he could have saved us without all the suffering part. Since he had to suffer, there are rules that god must adhere to. If god has to obey rules, then he is not all powerful.
pointless xtian hegemony, more spam from the false faith
So wait.... God saved us by killing himself to save us from himself ?!?!?!?
Well... he saved us by making us kill him so he can forgive us for not listening to his orders.
"Okay, Judas Iscariot. I have a grand universal plan to eradicate original sin from the mortal plane. You have an extremely critical role in all of this: you must betray Jesus Christ, leading to his arrest, conviction and inevitable crucifixion."
"Sure thing, God. What do I get in return?"
"As thanks for carrying out my plan exactly as I laid it out, you get several pieces of silver."
"Oh and a sweet deal in the afterlife, right?
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And a sweet deal in the afterlife... Right?"
"Well, your name will be remembered forever"
"For being a critical part of the plan right?"
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