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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by hellinkilla@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

I am watching a BBC doc about the Nuremberg trials. It is overall propagandizing against the concept of trying crimes against humanity at all. Due to, as described, the british position: it'll just be another chance for the defendants to present their position to the world so better to hang them and be done with it.

Q: Agree/disagree with the above? Both in the specific instance, and in general.

It was the first, but not the last, such proceeding. What are we learning from subsequent?

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[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I would say that killing the children of nobles is generally not necessary. If you already have power enough to kill every adult, you can probably re-educate the kids.

Mao also correctly understood the immense value of rehabilitation.

[-] Biggay@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

I think the revolutionary terror of the French was in an altogether different mind and material set than the Chinese. French nobility was extremely entrenched and had a lot of inertia to continuing or reassuming power, an almost totally uninterrupted power for a millennium. Compared to the Chinese where they were dominated by foreign powers, where the authority of their royal and noble families where concentrated in a rump state of bureaucrats and repressed liberals, for a century they languished in humiliation and want. The multiple millennia of concentrated and cyclical rule of Chinese emperors was disrupted that there was no inertia to really bring it back. Even the kuomintang would likely only retain the child emperor like a figurehead of Japanese nature.

Which can also lead you back to the Russian revolution, what place would the Romanov children have? You would have to hide their identities from everyone, the whites where desperate for some central power to harken to, and its one of the main reasons why their project failed in my opinion.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

The Romanov kids were executed because of logistical extenuating circumstances and some degree of panic about the Whites imminently being able to retrieve them. If that wasn't the case, the kids could have just been held in captivity for the time being. It was to the best of my knowledge the actual intention of the central leadership of the Bolsheviks to try Nicholas II and spare the family, though they endorsed the killing once it happened because it was a reasonable response to the circumstances.

That said, even if that specific "scare" of their retrieval didn't happen, it would be a continuous liability down the line, and I think the singular centrality and religious importance of the royal family makes them maybe not a great comparison to "every single child born to any noble household in the state of France".

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