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cross-posted from: https://zirk.us/users/JazzyKindaFella/statuses/116063802333754119

🇨🇦 At Davos, Prime Minister
#MarkCarney declared that #Canada will "apply the same standards to allies and rivals".

In 2022 Canada barred #Russia n aircraft from Canadian airspace.

Two days ago, an Israeli plane transporting the war criminal Netanyahu flew through Canadian airspace.

https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/2022131495570485539

#politics #hypocrisy #Ottawa
#Palestine @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe #elbowsup #cdnpol #quebec #ontario #toronto #montreal @ledevoir @torontostar #winnipeg @winnipegfreepress @pivot @TheBreach

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[-] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

I'm saying that you and others in this thread are starting from wildly different fundamental beliefs and values, and, to put it kindly, they are divergent enough that they are effectively different realities.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Your original claim that having different understanding of things somehow taints criticisms of Canada implies that there's a set of accepted views that cannot be challenged or diverged from. That's a description of an echo chamber.

[-] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What's your criticism here? Is it possible that your criticism is unfounded or missing some key considerations? What evidence would convince you?

Your original claim that having different understanding of things somehow taints criticisms of Canada implies that there's a set of accepted views that cannot be challenged or diverged from. That's a description of an echo chamber.

Yeah they're called foundational values. I believe that people should be free to do as they wish as long as it doesn't intrude on the right of others, for example. Foundational principles of a Western liberal democracy. I don't believe you do, and so I don't trust that you come to have a good faith discussion on anything related to the well being of Canada insomuch as it persists as a Western liberal democracy.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What’s your criticism here? Is it possible that your criticism is unfounded or missing some key considerations? What evidence would convince you?

Be specific, which of my criticism are you claiming to be unfounded, what key considerations am I missing?

Yeah they’re called foundational values.

Values held in face of material reality is just dogma. For example, let's take your claims about liberalism. It is an ideology that exists to justify capitalist relations that emerged as a counter to feudalism. It consists of two main parts. First is political liberalism which focuses on individual freedoms, democracy, and human rights which you're referring to. However, there is a second economic aspect to the system which centers around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.

Liberalism literally justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights. It puts the interests of capital over those of ordinary people directly contradicting the promise of fairness and equality you stated. Liberalism treats private property as a key aspect of individual freedom, and uses that as justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. The talk of freedom and democracy is just a fig leaf to provide cover for justifying capitalist relations. Your conflation with wellbeing of Canada with liberalism is itself profoundly dishonest. The whole notion that your personal vision of Canada is the only valid one is perverse. Different people have different views and values, and your values have no privileged position. If the system you promote leads to mass destitution, then it is right to question it. Decades of liberal rule created an economy where majority of people can't even afford a home anymore. That's a failed system.

People like you are cultists. You are fundamentally incapable of criticizing the western liberal system or seeing obvious problems with it. Instead of honestly engaging with criticism in good faith, you use ad hominem to shut down discussion, and retreat into your fantasy world. People like you are literally destroying Canada because you stand in the way of any meaningful change.

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