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[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 9 hours ago

Israel has long had a critical mass of America's elite compromised. Biden was chosen for being sold out, a known quantity, that they didn't have to worry about changing anything. He would only do anything big if republicans gave him permission by trying to do it first.

He was as sold out as any that came before him, every president, every crop of lawmakers, is worse than the ones before them respective of party, in our lifetimes.

But biden didn't oversee an Iran war. That didn't happen until the president that is terminally compromised with the worst blackmails got into power. He still managed to put a lid on it, and now Israel is using that blackmail to take that lid back off, they aren't pretending anymore, they are revelling in having our politicians, and the leader of the ruling party, compromised.

No one is arguing with your other points here, obviously the ruling class are a bunch of pieces of shit, always have been, are getting worse and more arrogant, etc. They do like their military adventures, always have, and plenty of them will support, do support, this. But they are not the ones orchestrating this, it's Israel, and they are doing it over the domestic political concerns of the ruling party and their business patrons that will be harmed by the oil rise and the resulting inflation.

Obviously the said evangelicals will support it regardless, the billionaires that are israeli and US will support it, as will all the israeli superfans in the US. Many of the other war hawks will as well. But none of them are making this happen on their own, over the objections of the business interests and midterms considerations of the party.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Biden was never compromised . Biden was a proud Zionist and was pretty clear about American interests involvement . So the reason he didn't do anything against Israel is not because he was weak but because he wanted to . My position about American imperial interests is backed by many historians and experts .

The preparation was started during Biden . The attack happened during Trump because it is when the preparations ended. Trump helped Israel bombing Iran because it started to looks really bad for Israel and American interests in the region. The USA never forgave Iran for trying to nationalize it's oil the only way to take that resources is to change the regime in Iran or use the strategy of divide and conquer to take those resources.

Your original claim was that the only reason Trump attacked Iran is the epstein files then you started to talk about how different group of Trump supporter has different motivations

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 9 hours ago

You keep arguing about stuff I'm not stating, I am tired of repeating myself and having you mischaracterize it, and then repeat points I already refuted without recognizing my points I already made.

Israel is using their Epstein blackmail to make this happen right now, as I've explained in rather exhaustive detail with you seven ways over, along with the forces for and against in the US.

Now, if you will excuse me, if you aren't going to address the points I've made and just repeat your mischaracterizations/misunderstandings, of my points I don't think it's worth it to continue this conversation.

You don't have to agree, although I haven't actually heard you lay out a cogent argument for why it's not Israel using their blackmail making this war happen over the domestic political calculations of the president and his party in power.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

You stated in your first comment that Trump attacked Iran simply because the files. I gave you multiple arguments why it is not the case. If you are not convinced that's fine but don't tell me that I didn't adress your points, I did

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 9 hours ago

Israel is forcing this war with Iran yes.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

Israel and the USA attacks Iran for their geopolitical interests

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