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Iran willing to dilute uranium stockpile as fresh protests erupt (www.theguardian.com)
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[-] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

It's not really about the Uranium though. It's about giving Israel a forever war they can restart on a pretext at any moment. They have the US politicians compromised and they are going to use it. Unless the president stands up to them and banks on them not releasing information on him. Not something I would bet on.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

You are naive if you think the USA empire and elite has nothing to win from the war on Iran. The USA and Isrsel has simoly mutual interests. The epstein files has ton of dirt on Israel that's why Netenyahu deny Israel involvment. Even if the files never existed the USA would still attack Iran

[-] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago

This new Persian Gulf War is all Israel using their epstein blackmail.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Bullshit. For the USA it is to control the straight of Hormuz as a leverage against China and Russia.

The 13 of June 2025 attacks on Iran preparations started during Biden. Was Biden also in the files?

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4947946-us-intelligence-breach-israel-iran/

[-] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago

Bullshit on your bullshit, forces in the US have long wanted war, we wouldn't be having this one if Israel wasn't using it's Epstein blackmail.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

We would definitely be on this one. Why Biden allowed the Israel to prepare for the attack during his presidency? It is because destroying another Russian and Chinese ally is benificial for the american empire

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 9 hours ago

It's a mix there are definitely those in the US that want this, that have been working towards this. The neoconservatives and whatever they grew into, the project 2025 douchelords, and they are running the party, leading the president around by the hand to betray is America First legacy, and alienate all of his supporters from that that didn't support the party but supported him because he was anti war and wanted to fix this country not do overseas things, that didn't know any better to know he was full of shit on every score at every level.

Then the evangelicals, which is like 25% or more of the Republican base, and they want strife in the middle east because it will bring on the second coming of (angry) jesus, whom will then bring the faithful (them,) to heaven and drown the world in lakes of blood and fire. Plus other religious groups like baptists that aren't all that dissimilar but idk.

So them and others all want the war with Iran. The forces that don't include many monied interests, especially ones that depend on oil, as Iran presumably this time will shut down the gulf to trade, something they should've done last time frankly, I presume it's something they are able to do, they better fucking hope they can it's their only real card to play here, and a powerful one, and remove 25% of the world's oil supply from the market, and the instability that will jack the prices up further.

Take down a couple of tankers and insurance should pull their contracts and keep them out of the gulf.

So we are looking at major hyper inflation, and that is what would be holding the president back, via those monied interests.

All that said, and regardless of all the forces that want a war with Iran, it's Israel and their superfans, a group that includes the evangelicals, and US billionaires, and others in the US it's not an entirely separate group between Israel and the US, that are making this war happen, or trying to right now, for domestic political purposes, Israel's politicians need to draw out the forever war so they don't have to face the music, and elections, and so they can continue this until they can figure out how to not get criminally prosecuted for all sorts of shit if they lose.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

In your first comment you claimed it was all about the Epstein files

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 9 hours ago

It is, that is what I'm saying, this war is all driven by Israel utilizing their epstein files. To say Israel includes a lot of interests in the US that want it as well, but none of this would be happening without Israel making it happen with their Influence.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Before there was even Israeli lobbies the USA was still supporting Israel. It is simply, ahistorical to say that geopolitics and mutual interests was not involved in the USA support for Israel. Many historians and experts confirm that like Michael Oren, Walter Russell Mead, William B. Quandt and Michael Hudson

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 8 hours ago

I already went through all of this and agreed to that, there are plenty in the US that want this. But the fact remains that this particular war right now is happening because Israel is using it's epstein blackmail. And to say Israel as I explained in some detail, lumps in a lot of groups within the US and Israel.

But the political leaders, would not be starting a war right now, if not for Israel's use of their leverage, as it will super charge inflation and cause economic problems that can last indefinitely.

You can disagree with that, but please accurately summarize my points I've made.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It is you who isn't addressing my points . How can Israel use the files that have ton of dirt on Israel and it's leadership ? Why Netanyahu is trying to deny Israel involvements with Epstein. Why Biden who is not involved in the files has always let Israel do whatever it wants? Why the USA has unconditional support to Israel even before the Israeli powerful lobbies even existed?

But the political leaders, would not be starting a war right now, if not for Israel’s use of their leverage, as it will super charge inflation and cause economic problems that can last indefinitely.

Those elites never cared about the normal people. The elites and the military industrial complex benefits from all wars even the catastrophic ones like Vietnam and Iraq

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 8 hours ago

Israel has long had a critical mass of America's elite compromised. Biden was chosen for being sold out, a known quantity, that they didn't have to worry about changing anything. He would only do anything big if republicans gave him permission by trying to do it first.

He was as sold out as any that came before him, every president, every crop of lawmakers, is worse than the ones before them respective of party, in our lifetimes.

But biden didn't oversee an Iran war. That didn't happen until the president that is terminally compromised with the worst blackmails got into power. He still managed to put a lid on it, and now Israel is using that blackmail to take that lid back off, they aren't pretending anymore, they are revelling in having our politicians, and the leader of the ruling party, compromised.

No one is arguing with your other points here, obviously the ruling class are a bunch of pieces of shit, always have been, are getting worse and more arrogant, etc. They do like their military adventures, always have, and plenty of them will support, do support, this. But they are not the ones orchestrating this, it's Israel, and they are doing it over the domestic political concerns of the ruling party and their business patrons that will be harmed by the oil rise and the resulting inflation.

Obviously the said evangelicals will support it regardless, the billionaires that are israeli and US will support it, as will all the israeli superfans in the US. Many of the other war hawks will as well. But none of them are making this happen on their own, over the objections of the business interests and midterms considerations of the party.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Biden was never compromised . Biden was a proud Zionist and was pretty clear about American interests involvement . So the reason he didn't do anything against Israel is not because he was weak but because he wanted to . My position about American imperial interests is backed by many historians and experts .

The preparation was started during Biden . The attack happened during Trump because it is when the preparations ended. Trump helped Israel bombing Iran because it started to looks really bad for Israel and American interests in the region. The USA never forgave Iran for trying to nationalize it's oil the only way to take that resources is to change the regime in Iran or use the strategy of divide and conquer to take those resources.

Your original claim was that the only reason Trump attacked Iran is the epstein files then you started to talk about how different group of Trump supporter has different motivations

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 7 hours ago

You keep arguing about stuff I'm not stating, I am tired of repeating myself and having you mischaracterize it, and then repeat points I already refuted without recognizing my points I already made.

Israel is using their Epstein blackmail to make this happen right now, as I've explained in rather exhaustive detail with you seven ways over, along with the forces for and against in the US.

Now, if you will excuse me, if you aren't going to address the points I've made and just repeat your mischaracterizations/misunderstandings, of my points I don't think it's worth it to continue this conversation.

You don't have to agree, although I haven't actually heard you lay out a cogent argument for why it's not Israel using their blackmail making this war happen over the domestic political calculations of the president and his party in power.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

You stated in your first comment that Trump attacked Iran simply because the files. I gave you multiple arguments why it is not the case. If you are not convinced that's fine but don't tell me that I didn't adress your points, I did

[-] hector@lemmy.today 0 points 7 hours ago

Israel is forcing this war with Iran yes.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

Israel and the USA attacks Iran for their geopolitical interests

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