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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't get it. Huh? I find sentiment on .ml extremely anti-Zionist.

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago

They're pretty anti zionist. Only because Israel represents the west in all its brutality. They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They fully support the Russian invasion

wut? Even lemmygrad.ml doesn't - their support of the Russian Federation's invasion has always been critical, not full. Just like their support for Hamas is critical - it's extremely obvious that neither the capitalist-run RF nor the Islamist Hamas are groups they agree with at all.

(I am not a campist, I'm simply explaining the campist concept of critical support)

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

So critical that we never ever hear them criticize Russia for it.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

So critical you'll be instantly banned for saying anything critical of Russian imperialism.

[-] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

There is no genocide in Ukraine. Ukranians are Russians.

[-] CybranM@feddit.nu 2 points 3 months ago

Truly a .ml stance haha. Do you think the people in Ukraine consider themselves Russian? Is that why they're fighting tooth and nail to avoid the Russian oppressors?

[-] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

They're fighting because the US made them. They would be perfectly happy Russians if not for NATO.

[-] CybranM@feddit.nu 2 points 3 months ago

And this is why normal users look at .ml with disdain haha

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

Did you know that inventing "genocides" based on perceived vibes and presenting them as equivalent to extremely real, well-documented, and universally agreed upon actual genocides is a form of genocide denial? Liberals such as yourself have been doing the work of fascists like this for a long time, this type of Holocaust denial is called "double genocide theory".

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[-] hellomoto@lemmings.world 2 points 3 months ago

Everything is a cia color revolution to them.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

And everything is a genocide to you

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, this one is just a self-serving fabrication by a few nazi-supporting governments.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Allegations of genocide

International recognition

Map showing that very few countries recognize this as a genocide.

As I said, by treating this as equivalent to the near universally recognized genocide in Gaza, you are engaging in a form of genocide denial. Funny, the map of (the very few) countries that recognize this has a large overlap with the map of countries that do the same form of denial with the Holocaust.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago

Do you know what the word "allegation" means?

Do you also insist there's a genocide in South Africa?

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

Is that the word used to describe Trump's pedophilia?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

It's also the word to describe Hilary Clinton's baby eating

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

What Russia is doing:

Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
https://thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

Definition of Genocide:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

Is your name Lenin Weave after the way you dodge criticism?

[-] agentant@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

I don't see how highlighting Khurbn denial is dodging criticism.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

accuses me of dodging criticism for making a very specific argument about how treating substantiated and unsubstantiated accusations of genocide as equivalent is a form of genocide denial without addressing the argument at all

Somehow, you don't see the irony.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

You weren't criticizing me, I am just watching you dodge theirs.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

They directly addressed it, ya lying freak

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I didn't dodge theirs, I directly addressed it. Their "criticism" is a form of genocide denial. They are fabricating "equivalent" atrocities to a real genocide. Similarly, your "neutral observer" trick here is a cheap way to pretend you're not taking a side in an argument so that you can dodge criticism of the side you are picking. See the irony?

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

I think they're talking about stuff like the holodomor or the uyghurs in china.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, probably the South African white genocide too, right?

[-] neatchee@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago

they didn't say it was hypocritical, just empty criticism. They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

They are wrong.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

You might be a little biased.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Unlike yourself and that other user, who are simply neutral observers? lmao

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social -1 points 3 months ago

"B-b-but my side virtuous (in all ways, and can do no wrong), while their side ignoramus (everything they do is because they are poopy-heads)!"

I wish I could add /s here but a good half the population on earth seems to hold to this as an invariant position, solidarity in the face of all obstacles, i.e. the Nazi bar effect.

Case in point: who doesn't love it when a religious institution offers food and shelter and medical care to the needy, or counsels people to forgive, laying down their burdens and seek therapy to thereby travel lighter through the world? It is the diddling kids part that for some strange reason (/s on this one) people tend to get upset?

Since we were talking about Zionism here, I will mention that Deuteronomy 13:5 (in the Torah, part of the Old Testament for Christian and Muslim and offshoot religious branches such as Mormonism) provides an EXTREMELY stern warning about those who would misuse their authority to lead people astray.

TLDR: intolerance paradox - if you tolerate the intolerant, it corrupts the entire system, giving it a bad reputation when people see the worst excesses and extrapolate that to infer the properties of the whole. e.g. Reddit is fascist, hence we did not stay and put up with it but rather moved here.

this post was submitted on 19 Feb 2026
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