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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 month ago

Its such an empty criticism when they federate with the ml instances.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Lemmy.ml, Hexbear.net, and Lemmygrad.ml are all extremely anti-Zionist. Further, dbzer0 defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, and is only federated with Lemmy.ml and Hexbear.net. What are you trying to say?

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 month ago

Nobody would ever accuse you people of defending Jews so it can't be that you are Zionists. Its about the simping for authoritarian regimes.

[-] agentant@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Idk where you got that those sites don't defend Jews. I feel very supported in those places, and the moderation on Hexbear at least takes antisemitism seriously(I can't say for the other two because I'm on there less often, but I'm yet to hear anything that would make me doubt that they defend their Jewish users as well)

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 month ago

You're on a .ml account so I'm by default assuming you're untrustworthy. If you cant see why anyone might get that then you might be blind. I'm sure I could go dig up some examples but then you'd have won by wasting my time proving something that is already obvious.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Communists absolutely defend Jewish peoples, Zionism is anti-semitic, especially anti-Yiddish. We also don't "simp for authoritarian regimes," we support socialist systems where the working classes hold the authority in society, rather than capitalists. None of this is "simping," I support worker-run structures because it's more equitable and democratic.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

we support socialist systems where the working classes hold the authority in society, rather than capitalists.

I feel like, despite this being explained every time, people still think "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a bad thing because of the word "dictatorship"...

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 month ago

No its because this person is lying. They dont honestly believe in a worker run democracy. Its just a palatable phrase they use to appear less extreme.

They support a political class with total control benevolently dishing out to the working population.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Nope, not what I believe at all, and the fact that you have to invent my beliefs proves you can't actually argue against my real ones.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't get it. Huh? I find sentiment on .ml extremely anti-Zionist.

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

They're pretty anti zionist. Only because Israel represents the west in all its brutality. They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They fully support the Russian invasion

wut? Even lemmygrad.ml doesn't - their support of the Russian Federation's invasion has always been critical, not full. Just like their support for Hamas is critical - it's extremely obvious that neither the capitalist-run RF nor the Islamist Hamas are groups they agree with at all.

(I am not a campist, I'm simply explaining the campist concept of critical support)

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

So critical that we never ever hear them criticize Russia for it.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

So critical you'll be instantly banned for saying anything critical of Russian imperialism.

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I think they're talking about stuff like the holodomor or the uyghurs in china.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, probably the South African white genocide too, right?

[-] neatchee@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

they didn't say it was hypocritical, just empty criticism. They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

They are wrong.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

You might be a little biased.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Unlike yourself and that other user, who are simply neutral observers? lmao

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago

"B-b-but my side virtuous (in all ways, and can do no wrong), while their side ignoramus (everything they do is because they are poopy-heads)!"

I wish I could add /s here but a good half the population on earth seems to hold to this as an invariant position, solidarity in the face of all obstacles, i.e. the Nazi bar effect.

Case in point: who doesn't love it when a religious institution offers food and shelter and medical care to the needy, or counsels people to forgive, laying down their burdens and seek therapy to thereby travel lighter through the world? It is the diddling kids part that for some strange reason (/s on this one) people tend to get upset?

Since we were talking about Zionism here, I will mention that Deuteronomy 13:5 (in the Torah, part of the Old Testament for Christian and Muslim and offshoot religious branches such as Mormonism) provides an EXTREMELY stern warning about those who would misuse their authority to lead people astray.

TLDR: intolerance paradox - if you tolerate the intolerant, it corrupts the entire system, giving it a bad reputation when people see the worst excesses and extrapolate that to infer the properties of the whole. e.g. Reddit is fascist, hence we did not stay and put up with it but rather moved here.

[-] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does the NZ in your username stand for NaZi? Fucc off colonizer

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

feels like brexit in that they will no longer have influence or discussion with their sworn enemies

they will just circle jerk on their marxist island

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago
[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It just shows how some people know jack shit and still throw their opinions around LMAO

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

This thread in a nutshell, lmao.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 1 month ago

"People supporting "Israel", the Zionist entity enacting genocide on Palestinians, are identical to people supporting the USSR, which eliminated Nazism and saved tens of millions of lives from extermination"

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 month ago

Nice try but the USSR sided with the Nazis remember. They dont get any credit.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Jesus Christ. Westerners really are the most propagandized people on earth.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 month ago

Meaningless coming from someone whos entire ideology is to support a uniparty with complete narrative control that executes anyone who thinks different.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

????

Least incoherent shitlib

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

“People supporting “Israel”, the Zionist entity enacting genocide on Palestinians, are identical to “People supporting “Russia”, the Fascist entity enacting genocide on Ukranians

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Russia is, in fact, not enacting genocide on Ukrainians. It's carrying out an invasion which we can condemn, but calling every conflict a genocide is actually a form of genocide denial, because it minimizes the horrors of actual genocides.

If you want to see criticism of Russia in Hexbear (my main instance), yesterday there was a post asking for peoples' opinions on Putin. Here's mine so you can see how much we "love the Russian government". You may be surprised to see that most comments and upvotes are highly critical of the contemporary Russian government.

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Russia is, in fact, enacting genocide in Ukraine.

What Russia is doing:

Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
https://thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

Definition of Genocide:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The source for the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children being abducted is, unsurprisingly, the Ukrainian government. The Russian government makes claims about Ethnic Russians being cleansed in Donbas and I don't take those accusations as true either, until confirmed by independent journalistic reports. You'd do well to do a more critical analysis of wartime propaganda by countries involved in wars. I've had this conversation before with several people, revisited the sources available, and there is no independent journalistic work proving tens of thousands of Ukrainian children being abducted.

[-] CybranM@feddit.nu 1 points 1 month ago

"The source for the crime is, unsurprisingly, the victim, the criminal is denying any wrongdoing" hmmm

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 1 month ago

Do you really think States under war have no reason to do atrocity propaganda? And you're mischaracterizing what I said, I denied similar accusations made by Russia

[-] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The ICC has an arrest warrant on Putin for these abductions.

Putin has used a ukaz/presidential decree to streamline the process of Ukrainian children being made Russian.

Here's your Independent Journalistic Report:

“It happens, for example, that they go with their parents from the occupied territories through Russia to some third countries. Russians can detain parents, arrest, put them in prison, just take their child to their boarding school. Like, go where you wanted, but your child will stay with us. There are cases when Russians enter a house somewhere in the occupied territory, the child tells them that he lives with his mother, who just went to the store or for water, but they take this child, actually kidnap him, and he finds himself in Russia. I am not talking about the so-called evacuation of children's boarding institutions from the occupied territories to Russia - this is a separate pain, "says Daria Kasyanova.

But sure, keep telling the world it's only Ukrainian propaganda. I'm ending this conversation here to log off, I've got better things to do than deal with a debatebro hexbear user trying to excuse genocide.

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