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[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 4 weeks ago

English uses 'man' and 'mankind' interchangeably.

Grammatically, 'no man' makes more sense than 'no one.'

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I've always thought it was an odd change. I get why they did it, but the original clearly wasn't being used in the way the change implies.

It has the same energy as saying that you can't use the term "whitelist" and must substitute "allowlist", or "master bedroom" to "primary bedroom", or that time they changed "monkeypox" to "m-pox".

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago

I hate pointlessly gendered shit. No one sounds much better to me and makes the same grammatical sense as no man. I don’t see it as any different than using they instead of he or she.

[-] igmelonh@feddit.online 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It wasn't considered as gendered, as referring to humanity as "man" is a holdover from when "man" wasn't ever gendered; we don't have any recordings of it specifically referring to males until around 1000 CE.

The old words for male/female were "wer" (see: werewolf) and "wīf", the latter of which diverged into "wifmann" ("female human"), later "woman", and "wife", specifically referring to a married woman. You still see "wife" used without implication of marriage status in words like "midwife".

Anyway tl;dr "man" historically wasn't gendered, hence it commonly being used to refer to humanity as a whole even in modern use. Also it more accurately states that no humans have been there before, rather than discounting present natives.

Edit: also, as another comment played on, this was used as wordplay in the Lord of the Rings, in which humanity is referred to as "the race of man", where a prophecy refers to no man being able to defeat one of the antagonists but doesn't specify that a woman can't.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

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