Where no MAN has gone before. Therefore plenty of space chicks
Just empire things.
To be fair, it would be a boring show if they didn’t.
Ship enters orbit of a planet
‘Spock, what do our scans show?’
‘Intense geologic activity, no atmosphere, no life signs.’
Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data, moves on to the next target
‘Spock, what do our scans show?’
‘Planet is frozen, no geologic activity, no life signs.’
Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data
Realistic sci fi is waaayyy too boring for a general audience.
I choose to believe that it's usually like that, and we're just seeing the days where something interesting happens.
Hey look, it's Starfield!
Or Mass Effect 2 at times.
Probe launching noise
What pissed me off about ME2, amongst other things, was them saying they're not going to "make you go to every planet just to extend gameplay". Only to force you to go to other planets to launch probes and gather materials...just to extend the game play
TOS came out at a time when people still talked of Columbus discovering america.
TOS came out at a time when Columbus was still being held in high regard. :)
Quick search suggests that the people of Columbia are still pretty happy with the name.
Meanwhile the people of Ohio's capital aren't
I live in NYC and no one is actually pushing to get rid of Columbus Circle.
otoh, Trump has a Building right on Columbus Circle, so maybe we should ask Mamdani to rename it Obama Circle.
which makes no sense, because even then, we knew Columbus wasn't the first person there.
So I suppose Star Treck are just the Colombus of space
Yes? the whole show is based on naval exploration, mercantilism, colonialism. That is why they have that whistle when an officer enters the ship, that is why there are no seatbelts.
I've seen a lot of far-fetched arguments over the years, but I've never seen anyone tie together mercantilism and seatbelts.
I have to say I do like the cut of your jib, sir.
I mean the original line was "where no man has gone before" which at least made sense, although it didn't represent the female crew very well.
English uses 'man' and 'mankind' interchangeably.
Grammatically, 'no man' makes more sense than 'no one.'
I've always thought it was an odd change. I get why they did it, but the original clearly wasn't being used in the way the change implies.
It has the same energy as saying that you can't use the term "whitelist" and must substitute "allowlist", or "master bedroom" to "primary bedroom", or that time they changed "monkeypox" to "m-pox".
I hate pointlessly gendered shit. No one sounds much better to me and makes the same grammatical sense as no man. I don’t see it as any different than using they instead of he or she.
It wasn't considered as gendered, as referring to humanity as "man" is a holdover from when "man" wasn't ever gendered; we don't have any recordings of it specifically referring to males until around 1000 CE.
The old words for male/female were "wer" (see: werewolf) and "wīf", the latter of which diverged into "wifmann" ("female human"), later "woman", and "wife", specifically referring to a married woman. You still see "wife" used without implication of marriage status in words like "midwife".
Anyway tl;dr "man" historically wasn't gendered, hence it commonly being used to refer to humanity as a whole even in modern use. Also it more accurately states that no humans have been there before, rather than discounting present natives.
Edit: also, as another comment played on, this was used as wordplay in the Lord of the Rings, in which humanity is referred to as "the race of man", where a prophecy refers to no man being able to defeat one of the antagonists but doesn't specify that a woman can't.
I don't have anything to add, but I want to say that I found this comment super interesting.
Huh...
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As progressive as the show was for its time, it is informed by narratives of the settler imperialism that helped Europeans "conquer the new world".
There's a reason why the intro casts space as "the final frontier." The frontier myth and its accompanying ideology of Manifest Destiny still formed the widely accepted version of U.S. history. Not the land-grabbing, genociding, slavery-spreading version we know today.
Bonus thought: Exploring space was obviously a big thing back then so it's understandable how Roddenberry came up with this line. But when you really think about it, time is the final frontier that we haven't managed to break through yet. Not space.
star trek isn't science fiction as much as naval mercantilism with a sci-fi coat.
so much is taken from that genra, like the whistles when an officer enters the bridge, or absolute lack of seatbelts, because it isn't a spaceship, but a reskined naval bridge.
The further we go the more we find ourselves.
Should they maybe have put "from Earth" in there?
It was a list:
Boldly yes, but It's been a long road gettin' from there to here.
Well, it was supposed to be where no 'man' has gone before, but people had to whine about it, and here we are.
You don't have to go where you already are.
Using warp engines, you don't really go anywhere; you bring the other place to you! 😃
I meant that when you go somewhere and you meet someone there, that person could have grown up there. So you would technically be the first person to go there as the other person always was there.
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