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[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

It is already clear that they are de-industrializing Europe and siphoning Europe's industries to the US. That is not controversial or hypothetical, it is already happening. What is not clear is how this strategy is supposed to achieve that for China or for Russia. Russia will never run out of energy (not this century at least), and China's energy self-sufficiency is only going up, as a result of the green transition and nuclear development, not down. The result is not the most dangerous rivals of the US being de-industrialized, it is the US cannibalizing its own vassals to try and halt or slow down their own decline. Even for the middle powers like Brazil or India, it is not clear that the US is succeeding in seriously undermining their energy security. India will keep receiving oil from Russia for example no matter how much the US wrecks West Asia. The countries most dependent on Middle Eastern oil and gas are ironically the US's most loyal vassals.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

Well, in a multi-polar world, the US could be content with just dominating half of the globe's industry. Or they could be laying the ground work to eventually destroy the East's energy infrastructure at a later date

[-] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

There is also the question of what Putin and Trump agreed in Alaska. If West Asia's energy production gets destroyed and Russia and usa make a new opec where they hold 70% of world production and are the only ones capable of securing shipping, they can try to cut off China.

In world with 3 super powers (Russia China and usa) the smaller 2 have to ally to have any chance at being the sole winner. It is clear that China is or will be top dog so Russia needs to shift its alliance. Russia is a bourgeois state and we should always expect the worst from them.

I'm pretty sure China would be fine after a short period of rejiggering their energy system. I'm almost sure these plans would be coming too late to work but it could be the capitalists last move with any chance of success.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 20 hours ago

It's not that i don't think the intention isn't there, but they just don't have the means. Short of launching nuclear WWIII at least. There is a vast chasm between wishing something would happen and being able to make it happen.

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