Carney’s ‘Defeatist’ Dismissal of International Law | The Tyee (thetyee.ca)

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Prime Minister Mark Carney’s much criticized ambiguity about the role of international law regarding U.S. and Israeli attacks on Iran is more than an excusable stumble by an inexperienced politician operating in a challenging environment.

Carney is building a foreign policy “doctrine” that increasingly warrants a closer look.

Last October, Carney lavished praise on U.S. President Donald Trump for supposedly “disabling Iran as a force of terror” with U.S. strikes months earlier. While the prime minister has softened — but not withdrawn — his support for the current military campaign that began in spite of progress on peace talks, he has not explained why he has long disagreed with intelligence assessments that Iran was not pursuing a nuclear weapon.

Nor has Carney or his ministers refused to rule out some form of participation in the conflict that is rapidly extending to other Persian Gulf states.

An opportunity to provide clarity on such issues was rebuffed when Carney skipped an emergency debate in Parliament on the growing crisis. Meanwhile, the war continues to unleash enormous human suffering and chaos.

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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It laid out a vision for how to walk the path to reach that destination.

Yes, middle powers pooling together and using their collective economic power to force fairer systems.

There absolutely is evidence to demonstrate that he has contradicted his own statements about how to walk the path.

Please go ahead and tell me which middle powers banded together with him to create a fairer system?

Oh you can't? So we're still operating in the existing unfair system then? So then we're back at taking the world as it is.

It is not incoherent foreign policy, it just foreign policy whose goals don't happen instantly.

[-] AGM@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

Reflect on what you're writing. You're just leaning into circular logic that absolves the Carney government by dismissing contradicting evidence out of hand.

Carney says there's a way to do things. Carney doesn't do things that way. Must be that Carney couldn't do things that way. Him not meeting the standard is justified because that's "the world as it is."

But wait, wasn't he the guy who knew how the world is when he set the standard in the first place?

Hmm, also, if "the world as it is" justifies every departure from the way he said to walk the path, does he even have agency as a leader navigating circumstances, or should we put his agency aside any time a decision looks off?

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Reflect on what you're writing. You're just leaning into circular logic that absolves the Carney government by dismissing contradicting evidence out of hand.

You reflect on what you're writing. It is not conflicting evidence it is simply a situation more nuanced than black and white.

Carney says there's a way to do things. Carney doesn't do things that way. Must be that Carney couldn't do things that way. Him not meeting the standard is justified because that's "the world as it is."

Honestly, stop responding if you need to boil everything down to simplistic terms to understand them.

This is literally just the most basic game theory problem of coordination. A single actor cannot move on their own if the move requires the coordinated efforts of many.

[-] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Lol. I can totally understand how you would like someone to stop responding when your points keep getting cooked as you work to establish an unfalsifiable position that rejects the evidence in front of your nose.

As for understanding things in simplistic terms, you provided a great example in your other comment.

[-] patatas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 37 minutes ago

yeah it's wild how a significant chunk of this technocrat's supporters keep making claims that aren't falsifiable. There's literally nothing that people can point to that will change their mind.