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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

This stream highlight cuts this out but the orginal Japanese dialogue is uh lets just say much more direct and proud about this then you would think. catgirl-disgust

Writing like this is making me genuinely worried about the LeonxSherry lathing from creeps. kobeni-sweat

Edit: apparently Pat and woolie also talked about this

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[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This isn't a matter of other people lacking media literacy, this is a matter of you projecting your values onto a piece, because your argument is literally "the thing being depicted is bad in my view, therefore it is being depicted as being bad in the narrative's view." You have yet to present an argument for explaining how to establish the view of the narrative here. You have not presented a basis for discerning an anti-grooming narrative from one that romanticizes this paternalizing predation.

Seriously, just imagine someone who was openly into this particular brand of grooming (which should be very legible to people in our cultural contexts because this used to be considered romantic in popular writing!). What are you claiming they would do differently?

I believe it was just such a person who did write this, and therefore they would not necessarily do anything differently, but someone interested in writing an anti-grooming narrative could, I don't know, show just show even the slightest bit of the abusive "reality" behind the supposed Humbert-Humbert-Vision going on here, of Alex controlling her and a look of distress or despair that his austere gaze is oblivious to or ignores. Don't let the whole thing just be radiant light and sincere smiles from her, let her actual perspective leak in so the viewer can see it even if Alex refuses to.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I feel like this is getting unnecessarily heated so I'm gonna dip

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

I apologize for making you feel that way. After you started talking about how only media literate people could understand how right you are while basically just saying your evidence is a gut reaction, I thought it would be good to delineate as clearly as I could why it doesn't make sense and how someone interested in media literacy could approach things more constructively. Clearly I need to improve how I convey tone.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I didn't say only media-literate would see i'm right. I said only the media-literate would recognise what they're doing with that art strip, that it's an entirely intentional grooming collage.

I understand that it's still bad to display this without clear criticism for those in the audience who won't see that, which is probably most of the audience. I have not actually disagreed with you or anyone else here on that.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My mistake for mischaracterizing the scope of your claim.

Regardless, you're not talking about media literacy as such, because identifying the thing in the picture as grooming isn't any sort of nuanced understanding of how media works, it's just knowing what grooming is and making a connection to the literal events on the screen that they fit that definition. Media literacy would involve assessing the specific artistic choices made in the process of that depiction, which are completely consistent with someone who is pro-grooming and lack any evidence of being anti-grooming except that grooming is bad so one might have a gut response that when grooming is depicted, it's meant to be understood as bad. That is not media literacy.

[-] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

For context, Alex was around 5 when Patricia was born. Him actually grooming her would be a retcon (if thats even possible?) despite the "vibes." Its the least worst part of it but the cousin thing is what actually glues this together into a shit cake. If they weren't blood related (second cousins too lmao) the fandom would be treating it like that time Batman fucked batgirl and would just akwardly ignore it.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

5 years is enough of a gap to do grooming. Consider one at 15 and the other at 10. It's not necessarily the same thing as people who started dating at 33 and 28.

[-] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't disagree but the "grey area" is weird if if capcom decided "actually no we want everyone to hate him and if you thought he was changing for the better you were wrong" at the eleventh hour and think everyone should hate just him. Honestly Awoo's take seems completely unserious if you think about this even slightly undiegeticly. Whats so cool about this that it would make you want to play as this guy if you think this creepy? Capcom would really risk doing this to a protagonist for the luls? If you don't think its creepy this is basically everything you could want out of his character and the reaction has been far more mixed within japan...

As a final note to all this why would someone like Alex of all people not openly and knowingly be a creep if this is supposed to be creepy to the streetfighter universe??? Imagine thinking this guy would give a fuck lmao even if was true it would be bad writing that should not be welcomed. Such a lazy and dismissive take for no reason. I really didn't need to see this outside of reddit. The only other people I see with congratultory/dismissive takes on this outside of Japan are weebs so maybe thats why?

I don't think I can take her media Analysis seriously after this.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I think it's a pretty open-and-shut "the people who wrote this are creeps who are trying to appeal to creeps" and anything else is bizarre cope and/or a complete inability to analyze media. The only ambiguity is in questions that don't matter like "Did the writers think this is normal because of their own brainrot or are they just pandering?" but a creep is a creep so it hardly matters unless you're trying to stage a personal intervention in their lives so they don't do more of this shit.

[-] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I said only the media-literate would recognise what they're doing with that art strip, that it's an entirely intentional grooming collage.

You said you knew nothing about street fighter 3 and your still willing to defend this off vibes alone? He was a bad guy. A heel. He already had flaws. This the final part of his redemption arc. How can you still think this some secret 400iq chess move from capcom writers when they went out of their way to proverial 4d chess to write this "sibling relationship" as morally/legally "okay" as they could? Tom has this to say about there relationship. "In his sick head" my ass. Is usagi drop also satire to you?

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