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[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago

We're going to have a world war against the USA and Israel. It might not be today, tomorrow or even in a few years... but I feel like it's inevitable. They are rogue terrorist states and are responsible some of the most heinous war crimes in recorded history. They need to be stopped.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago

No way Europe meaningfully stands up to Uncle Sam, and heinous Israeli-American war crimes are nothing new. Trump still hasn't actually outdone the Iraq war, for example.

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[-] taygaloocat@leminal.space 6 points 1 month ago

Maybe I'm ignorant but if every English speaking nation stood together and told the US that they were being evil and doing wrong, and that they'd no longer join in with their invasions, the US would probably stand down.

Too bad they're all pussies (Australia included)

No us is out of control under trump, no reason nor logic will influence the US unfortunately

[-] KelvarCherry@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This might have been the case under sane-but-horrible leaders like George W. Bush, Mike Pence, and the last Democrats, but I think this outcome is improbable as 1) that international united refusal didn't happen when George W. Bush waged war over lies in the Middle East; 2) This administration is composed of hyped-up christo-fascists and their sycophants, and is goaded by oligarchs who want the destruction of the USA so they can buy up what remains.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It’s fucking wild that W is a beacon of sanity now. You aint wrong but its still fucking wild

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I can just hope that the orange despot is the bottom and if we go even lower we’ll be back to the Stone Age level civilization if we’re lucky.

[-] KelvarCherry@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

haha I paused a bit as I wrote that, too; but yeah. W Bush was stupid, a bad public speaker, and a warmonger... but he knew when to listen to his advisors.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I don't know what people are talking about here, but Trump is an evil asshole and this will never work.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think so. They can't manufacture their weapons if the rest of the world stops exporting parts and material inputs to them. They are very far from self-reliant.

[-] ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just like the rogue terrorist state Russia needs to be stopped in their attempted annexations and political psyops.

Or China needs to be stopped in their aggressions against Taiwan and ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs and other "undesirable" people.

I feel like there is no winning scenario left in this.

Who are "we" anyway?

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

You can't compare China, who hasn't waged a single war in 50 years, to a genocidal entity like "Israel" that is being constantly aided by the US empire and defended by the western propaganda machine.

And regarding Xinjiang, you may need to look at the facts before throwing terms like "ethnic cleansing."

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

China is now arguably the fifth largest supplier of arms supplying weapons and ammo to conflict regions. China is well known for its forced cultural assimilation and they have never stopped. Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

I see you cherry picked the years because between the cultural revolution and the subsequent famine China lost well over 50 millions citizens.

We know the facts, the labor camps, the dramatic drop in birth rates, the altering of mosques to look more Chinese. Forced cultural assimilation is a genocidal act when the US did it to the Native Americans. China is no different.

Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?

If the US disappeared tomorrow Chiva would happily fill its spot as a the number one human rights abuser with their garbage partners Russia and North Korea.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

Opening in the sense that there's been over a decade of accusations and still no actual evidence of even a single death, or indeed any physical evidence at all, with the excuse that it's all going on in secret. So, the opposite of open.

Israel couldn't hide genocide in Gaza despite having it completely locked down and the tacit support of the media, but apparently China is doing it on an even bigger scale in a place people can freely travel to.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

You can’t compare China, who hasn’t waged a single war in 50 years

I see you cherry picked the years

Unbelievable 🤣

Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year

Because doing so has allowed them to lift 700 million people out of extreme poverty. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support.

Are you a Maoist? Do you think China should've stayed the course instead of doing reforms? Then they wouldn't have billionaires. Or are you just chauvanistically criticizing them regardless of what they do or don't do?

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?

Capitalism and socialism are not some clear cut systems or categories that can be merely "adopted." They are modes of production that are dictated by the material and social relations of production in a given space at a given time. For instance, the transition from feudalism to capitalism did not occur neither swiftly, nor neatly nor universally; rather, capitalist bubbles existed at the epitome of feudal rule and did not expand until the favourable material circumstances emerged — abrupt demographic changes in the 14th century, colonialist ventures by private companies in American continent, and so forth. And even after capitalism became the dominant mode of production, feudalist relations of production still existed at the peripheries.

A similar perspective should be adopted in China. The existence of markets is not a core aspsct of capitalism; and regarding billionaires, the PRC prosecutes even more of them, in addition to the tens of thousands of millionaires who emigrate every year.

This is exactly what socialism looks like, a transitional stage that will bring forth a post-capitalist society once the international contradictions (Chinese millionaires) as well as external (US imperialist encroachment) are extinguished. Some policies may succeed, while others may fail and become lessons for future policymaking. But to call this anything close to fascism is treason to the working classes of the Global South.

Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

Just ask yourself a simple yet important question: what does the PRC stand to gain from indiscriminately persecuting its own citizens and making them suffer aimlessly?

You can travel right now to Xinjiang and visit all of its towns and cities freely with total access and ease (as many tourists do every year), and you would see people openly speaking Uyghur, rituals and local events practiced publicly, and mosques operating normally. If you're adamant on believing what some white journalist from NYT or WSJ has to say instead of the locals and residents as well as tourists and independent, on-ground reporters, then this conversation should stop right here.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't get more billionaires by practicing socialism. You would have to be truly naive to believe China is practicing socialism. Also, their greatest accomplishment of raising so many people out of poverty was because of capitalism not socialism.

Why does China engage in forced cultural assimilation? Because it always has throughout history. They even have a name for it, sinicization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization

China has always and will always be imperialist which is why when campists call out the US for Imperialism it is so unbelievably hollow.

You can also travel to reservations in the US to see Native Americans dancing and singing. Clearly this proves the US has done nothing wrong. To be frank, your position is not supported by facts and it is naive to say the least.

The US also prosecutes their wealthy like Martin Shkreli. Does this suddenly absolve their capitalism. I know you are not joking, but it is hard to take you seriously when you hand wave the fact that China has now created more billionaires than the US for the second year in a row.

I judge a nations level of fascism by not only their wealthy inequality but a growing wealth gap. A truly socialist country would not have this issue. China continues to increase its wealth gap dramatically.

https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/rise-wealth-private-property-and-income-inequality-china

If you are trying to convince me you are a campist you have done an excellent job.

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Again, you're ignoring the fact that socialism is not a defined set of policies that gets to be uniformly applied in a vaccum. The trajectory even has historically varied from one socialist state to another. To attribute the accomplishments of the PRC to "capitalism" is inaccurate. What there is in China is a market economy that is predominated by public ownership and state-owned enterprises, which is nowhere close to capitalism.

You condemn the consequences of the early Maoist policies, and then equally condemn Dengist reforms. What's the point of critiquing for the sake of critiquing, whem there is no constructive effort on your part to properly assess and understand the material and historical circumstances that have led to China's development into what it is now, only being guided by emotions and a confident lack of theory. One recent book on the matter that I recommend is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer.

China has always and will always be imperialist

This is ahistorical and untheoretical thinking on your part. Imperialism is an advanced form of capitalism. An imperialist state is one that has saturated its domestic markets and as a consequence seeks to expand its markets and the reproduction of private capital overseas, by all means possible and most notably by force. China simply does not possess the features of imperialism. Prolewiki has a very informative article that explains the concept.

Until now, you've only indiscriminately sprinkled terms like imperialism and capitalism and fascism without much thought in the process, and so we've reached an impasse.

As to the Xinjiang matter, your views reflect those of the western propaganda machine. I've already mentioned above a FAQ compiled by Dessalines (yes, Lemmy's lead dev) which contains many articles and documents that may at the very least give a different perspective on this matter.

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[-] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Invading Tibet was an act of war.

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

The concept of an independent Tibet never existed before the Beitish imperialists in India plotted to expand their s phere of influence into China. See for instamce the Lhasa Convention.

Furthermore:

Britain put before the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs a five-point demand, indicating the denial of China's sovereignty over Tibet. When the Chinese government rejected the British demand, the British blocked all the roads leading from the British Raj in India to Tibet.

In 1913 the British government coerced local Tibetan authorities into declaring independence and proposed that:

"Britain be the weaponry supplier after total independence of Tibet;" "Tibet accept British envoys' supervision of Tibetan financial and military affairs in return for Britain's support of Tibetan independence;" "Britain be responsible for resisting the army of the Republic of China when it reaches Tibet;" "Tibet adopt an open policy and allow freedom of movement of the British."

Source.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

You can’t compare China, who hasn’t waged a single war in 50 years

Invading Tibet was an act of war.

When exactly do you think that happened?

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[-] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Always whatabouting huh?

None of those is led by a documented pedophile

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Doesnt work that way. Evil is not a country. You can attack it and try to destroy it, and if you succeed, another country will take its place.

But yeah, its worth doing anyway since it gives temporary relief. Otherwise the logic would be to not try to stop oppressive countries, and that obviously doesnt work either.

What this place needs is a big spiritual upgrade of humans, so they would stop becoming evil just for money and power.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

i feel like the execution of the ayatollah was our century's franz ferdinand. as in it's already begun and will only get worse.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

Just keep this in mind during the next election when you see the US suspects pushing "both sides" and "corporate dem" narratives. Don't be a sucker.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't be a sucker, vote for our private organization's billionaire-curated mook!

The Ds won't save you, it's not 1938 any more. Biden was a 50-year hack and an embarrassment. Trump is a travesty and an embodiment of what you get when corporations are people and cash is free speech.

You won't be provided with a Messiah to vote for, I'm afraid, not by the Democrats anyway

I voted Democrat, but I know it's a joke, like voting for the next American Idol. I dunno how you could possibly take it seriously

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