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submitted 20 hours ago by HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to c/canada@lemmy.ca

Investigators in the U.S. and Canada have cautioned that it is too early to determine a cause and that several safeguards would have had to fail for a disaster of this magnitude to occur.

In aviation safety, this is known as the Swiss Cheese Model, which compares the holes in stacked slices of cheese to weaknesses in different layers of safety defences. The holes rarely all line up. But when they do, an error can pass through.

One of the errors now drawing concern from Canadian aviation safety experts is runway incursions, like the one leading up to the collision at LaGuardia.

In 2010, the year the TSB added runway incursions to its watchlist, Nav Canada recorded 334 of them. In its 2025 financial year, Nav Canada recorded 612 runway incursions at Canadian airports between Sept. 1 and Aug. 31, according to data provided to CBC News.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

A good place to start would be putting transponders on ground vehicles at airports like the planes have

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 4 points 19 hours ago

Not nearly as simple as you might think.

A transponder is essentially a coded radio transmitter, which is subject to the same issues as any other radio transmission.

Aircraft transponders work well because in the sky there are few obstacles, however at ground level, there are thousands of obstacles, each of which affects such radio signals.

For a sense of comparison, think about getting good WiFi coverage in your home for all your devices, now do the same for an airport, where moving massive sources of interference are littered around the field.

Listen to some ATC radio frequencies and you'll get some sense of just how fragile radio communication really is.

Source: I'm a licensed radio amateur.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

There are already ADS-B transponders that are designed for vehicles, and the FAA has been recommending them for a while.

Plus airports are big, flat pieces of land with little in the way of transmissions especially on the big, flat runways and taxiways.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 19 hours ago

Hell, LaGuardia has ASDE-X installed. The fire truck in question did not have a transponder, rending a significant portion of the system pretty useless in this case.

It's unclear whether any of the ground vehicles at LaGuardia are equipped with the transponders, or at least it was unclear the last I heard.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I imagine it’s going to become a requirement for ground vehicles to have transponders now, at least at the big airports.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It already is. Lots of finger pointing, but LGA is a overcapacity shithole airport with poor infrastructure regulation.

Jennifer Homendy at FAA has been warning the government for two years and she's being ignored as hard as Tony Fauci in 2019.

There was an FAA warning that LGA midnight shift ATC was understaffed and over fatigued. They will probably fire her for being competent.

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