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[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago

they’re Israel’s second biggest trade partner

3rd. It goes US, Ireland, China. It's even more stark if you take the EU as a bloc which then makes it EU, US, China.

they’re one of the only things keeping Israel afloat.

No that would be Washington and Brussels and their billions in "aid" and massive diplomatic cover.

Also:

[-] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 3 points 18 hours ago

“Trade isn’t support” which is why BDS argues against cutting off economic activity with Israel, because that would be unnecessary and trade doesn’t help the entity at all!

BDS exists because trade is support.

There are different levels, obviously it’s not the same to buy necessary fuel from an enemy to heat your people’s homes as to buy blood diamonds. But Israel produces no crucial resources, and if China cut off all economic activity with them - Boycott them, divested from their businesses, and implemented sanctions - China wouldn’t even notice while it would hurt Israel significantly.

3rd. It goes US, Ireland, China. It's even more stark if you take the EU as a bloc which then makes it EU, US, China.

Thats my bad, I’ve seen them cited as 2nd many times and haven’t gone and looked at the economics papers myself. Also wtf Ireland.

Mao quote

Sometimes Mao was wrong. Mao also famously sided with the United States against the USSR, and supported the Khmer Rouge against Vietnam. His decision making on foreign policy was questionable to say the least.

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

China accounts for less than 15% of Israel's goods imports when Hong Kong is included, and under 8% when HK is excluded which makes sense when analysing Chinese policy given Hong Kong's ongoing reunification and special status given it's history. China represents a marginal share of Israel's external circulation, not a structural pillar.

The composition confirms this marginality. Chinese exports to Israel are consumer goods, machinery, and electric vehicles. Israeli exports to China are diamonds, optical equipment, and declining semiconductor shipments. None of this touches Israel's core state capacities: intelligence, cyber warfare, military R&D, financial services. These sectors are integrated into US and EU capital circuits and protected by Washington's security architecture. Meanwhile China actively undermines Israeli comparative advantages: lab grown diamonds have crashed the natural diamond market that Israel depends on, and Chinese technological advances render Israeli service exports increasingly obsolete.

Also treating Israel as an autonomous actor ignores its position as a subordinate node in US imperialist command. Any unilateral Chinese rupture would trigger coordinated reprisals from Washington, Brussels, Tokyo. More dangerously, it would likely accelerate imperialist backing for separatist forces targeting China: increased funding for ETIM, intensified DPP militarization, and expanded intelligence sharing with reactionary forces on China's periphery. This is not speculation; it is the observed pattern of capitalist core discipline against any perceived deviation.

So long as the West secures Israel militarily and economically, symbolic sanctions have no material meaning. They only serve as a form of catharsis and moral posturing. They confuse form for content. The correct line is to utilize trade to develop productive forces, secure technological channels, and maintain strategic autonomy, while directing material support to the Axis of Resistance through separate circuits. This is not contradiction; it is dialectical coordination. Commercial engagement with a client state is not political endorsement when the broader anti imperialist front advances.

I await Israel's historical dissolution and wish China could adopt a more militant posture. But the current approach rests on concrete analysis of concrete conditions, not moral abstraction. Sound strategy proceeds from the balance of forces, not from voluntarist gestures that cede ground to capital.

Sometimes Mao was wrong. Mao also famously sided with the United States against the USSR, and supported the Khmer Rouge against Vietnam. His decision making on foreign policy was questionable to say the least.

While true in the broadest sense (70/30 etc etc). This account flattens a highly complex rupture. The Sino-Soviet split did not emerge simply from “Mao being wrong,” but from deep ideological, strategic, and state-to-state contradictions, especially Moscow’s increasingly paternal and subordinating posture toward Beijing, which sharpened tensions into an open break. It also ignores the substantial material and political support China gave Vietnam for years, particularly during the anti-imperialist struggle against the United States, and obscures the fact that some of the harshest and most distorted expressions of the anti-Soviet line in regional policy (such as the 1979 war) were developed and executed later, under Deng-era conditions, not simply under Mao himself. None of that means Mao was infallible, but it does mean the split and its consequences have to be understood as historically conditioned contradictions within the socialist camp, not reduced to an individualized story of irrational foreign-policy error.

Edit: I forgot to mention I fully support BDS because its material strength lies in severing Israel from the imperial core’s reproduction networks. The movement functions by making institutional cooperation economically and politically untenable within the metropole, where financial integration, military supply chains, and diplomatic cover actually sustain the settler colonial apparatus. Applying that same tactic to China inverts the concrete conditions. Beijing’s commercial ties represent a marginal civilian fraction of Israel’s external circulation. Severing them would be simply performative moral purity while leaving imperialist command structures untouched. It would also most likely trigger coordinated capital redirection and systemic reprisals from Washington and its allied blocs, punishing Chinese strategic autonomy and hardening imperialist discipline. Different positions in the global division of labor require different methods of struggle. Backing mass boycotts in the core while the resistance and its support maintain calibrated trade channels reflects in my eyes a correct reading of where Israel actually draws its lifeblood.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

Israel losing 15% of its imports would be catastrophic for the settler project, that's hardly marginal.

I think we can acknowledge that trade is support, but also recognize that China is making a hard strategic choice between the costs and benefits of cutting off Israel against the well-being of its people (because, like you said, China would be inviting reprisal on itself if it cut off trade). We don't need to avoid confronting the ugly material reality of commercial engagement with Israel by just handwaving it as unimportant. Otherwise, if it didn't matter, why would you wish for China to adopt a more militant posture?

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Otherwise, if it didn’t matter, why would you wish for China to adopt a more militant posture?

By militant I meant more direct military deployment and open mass arming of the Resistance. I wish it were already possible. I hope it will become possible. Right now it is not. Crossing that threshold guarantees world war three. Wishing for a higher stage of struggle does not justify ignoring the current balance of forces.

Israel losing 15% of its imports would be catastrophic for the settler project, that’s hardly marginal.

The share sits under 8 percent when excluding Hong Kong. Hong Kong operates as a separate customs territory under the SAR framework. Mainland commercial policy does not dictate its trade flows, so it falls outside Chinese macroeconomic planning. Even at 15% the shock would likely be easily absorbed. Israel remains structurally embedded in the Euro American bloc. Washington is pushing a defense budget past one trillion dollars alongside direct military transfers. The EU coordinates diplomatic shielding and economic substitution to protect Tel Aviv. Any gap from reduced Chinese goods would likely instantly fill with imperialist capital (not to mind a likely increase in the billions in "aid"). Washington and Brussels would pour billions more into Israel to combat the dastardly commies and insulate the settler state. The regime does not rely on Chinese consumer goods to survive. It relies on Western security and economic guarantees.

Trade is circulation. It is not political endorsement. Commercial exchange with a client state does not equal support for its colonial project. That does not make the arrangement clean. It is morally ugly. But material analysis requires weighing concrete conditions against abstract morality. China uses these channels to build productive forces and maintain strategic autonomy while material support flows to the Resistance through separate circuits. Symbolic rupture without breaking the imperialist security architecture only weakens the anti hegemonic front. The correct line prioritizes actual disruption of capital accumulation networks over performative boycotts that serve no purpose beyond catharsis and posture.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

So, you seem to be equating material support for endorsement. Those aren't the same thing.

We can say that China supports Israel with trade relations without actually endorsing them.

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Did the Soviet Union support the Nazis by trading grain for machine tools between 1939 and 1941? Did they support imperialism by importing Western technology throughout the Cold War? No. I and many others would say it was quite the opposite. The same materialist logic applies here. China trades/traded commercial goods for semiconductors, diamonds, and optical equipment that cannot/could not be sourced elsewhere due to imperialist pressure and technological containment. This is not support.

Support is defined by net strategic effect, not mechanical commodity flows. The net effect is: China materially supports the Axis of Resistance while maintaining marginal civilian trade with a US client state.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The net effect is: Israel's economy continues to function with China's material support, they would be in a worse position if they were deprived of Chinese trade. Even if we disregard Hong Kong, 8% would be a serious shock - especially under current conditions! Then China could began pressuring its own trading partners to also stop trading with Israel; Hong Kong might even follow. This would have a serious cost to China, though, and they have likely determined the cost is too high and the risks too great.

What they're doing now, supporting the Axis of Resistance while avoiding Western retaliation, is likely the best strategic option.

But that doesn't mean we should just disregard trade as having material impact. We're materialists, not moralists. We can accept that China is materially supporting Israel through trade while also understanding that this isn't some kind of moral failing, and that there are additional considerations that are being made to inform their overall strategy towards Israel.

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