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[-] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where I saw it first, people honed in on the "We don't have the right to ​repeat [1917]" part as further proof of the CPRF being controlled opposition or "SPD in WW1" social chauvinists, pointing to other instances of "Zyuganov asking Putin to do socialism". However people on Lemmygrad and other communist parties seem to view them favourably. I remember hearing more young people becoming members. Then there's the mess of establishment Russian politics being essentially this photo: Three massive flagpoles in Saint-Petersburg, flying the flags of the Romanovs (beloved by ultranationalists), USSR and Russian Federation; behind them is the supertall headquarters of Gazprom.

So what is the situation with the CPRF? What do they stand for and would they be more than socially conservative social democrats if they ever supplant United Russia, electorally? Is the party evolving behind the scenes? And are their pleas to the bourgeoisie just political theater and not to be taken seriously?

[-] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As for the accusation of "controlled opposition", the KPRF have already responded to this:

Accusations of a “tame opposition,” of the Communists being “on the payroll” of the government, are loud, but fall flat the moment they touch reality. Yes, there’s a faction in the Duma, yes, there are deputies’ salaries. But how else can an alternative point of view be conveyed to millions of people? Go completely underground? Then there won’t be any bills to freeze tariffs, and voices against raising the retirement age, against tax theft, against the commodification of healthcare and education will simply go unheard. Year after year, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the only parliamentary force that consistently votes against anti-people laws. If they had real power, these laws would never have passed. But while the liberals and security forces are in power, the Communists use every platform to at least voice the truth and offer the people an alternative.

As for the contradictions of the Russian society which could be pictured in the massive flagpoles that you shared, this was also mentioned in this post by the KPRF: "Mimicry of the system: Soviet words, oligarchic deeds". In the comments, I also added my brief observation of the two conflicting identities and their dynamics in the comments.

As for the rest of the questions in the last paragraph which is basically the same one, the KPRF is using every platform at their disposal to agitate the masses. From the State Duma, Grassroot Organizations and actively creating strong cadres for unions; they are actively out there organizing. The results varied but the most visible one are:

In summary, there is active work there. They go beyond what a Western socdem(or even leftists) do in Europe or the USA(perfect example of a socdem is Mamdani where he denounced Cuba and Venezuela).

[-] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I read the posts you linked and they literally propagate the replacement theory, e.g. this critique of the govt migration policy:

Let’s take, for example, the demographic strategy. The situation is catastrophic: there is a brazen replacement of the Russian and other indigenous peoples of our country. Yet even in the long term, the document does not set the goal of achieving even a simple restoration of the native population. How can something like this be written?

Or take the term “the supporting role of migration.” In developing the new concept, the authorities speak of restrictions, so that migrants come without their families. It seems, on the face of it, correct.

[-] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

replacement theory

Migration is a messy subject because the issue comes from the understanding of the grassroot base of the Russian society and even Chinese society. Add to the mix the ethnic strife that sometimes appear in Russian society and it is a horrible mix that leads to this type of statements. However, in no way shape or form, should we project the Western filth into Russia. Russia is not the same as the white supremacist West which is the sole origin of our current issues including the siege against Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba. If Russia were like that, it would be treated differently by the West.

As for the position of the party, Obukhov, which is the one that mentioned that statement that you quoted, shared the following in other publications:

The deputy formulated the faction’s position:

"We're not against foreign workers. We're against the oligarchic system that, for the sake of superprofits, turns Russia into a thoroughfare and turns migrants into strikebreakers who lower the cost of Russian labor , " Obukhov emphasized.

Principles of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation:

  • Strict quotas and targeted organizational recruitment - only for specific enterprises, for a specific period
  • Priority for Russian citizens in everything : work, housing, kindergartens, hospitals, introduction of residency requirements for foreigners
  • The principle of "come to work - work" : a migrant arrives alone, without huge families that are dependent on social security
  • A merciless fight against enclaves and ethnic crime , including the dissolution of municipal authorities where Russian laws do not apply.
  • Resettlement programs are only for real compatriots : Russians and indigenous peoples of Russia who find themselves abroad
  • Work visa regime with countries that are the main suppliers of migrants

This is the most recent roundtable regarding this topic -> https://kprf.ru/dep/gosduma/activities/243324.html

[-] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 1 week ago

Those "principles" are more fascist than what the current wave of far right Western parties are proposing. I used to think CPRF is controlled opposition, now I think they are "national socialist", thank you for educating me.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago

I don't have the time [or honestly the knowledge] to go super in depth, but basically a lot of the old guard who currently runs the party are more in line with "Patriotic socialism." [As in, socialism that supports the current state.] Meanwhile the younger generation who gave joined the party more recently are more principled.

The SMO makes things complicated since, to my knowledge, the CPRF was on board with it before even United Russia/Putin was on board with it.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's an incorrect usage of the term "patriotic socialism". That term refers specifically to socialists in the imperial core who fail to correctly reckon with the imperial (and settler-colonial) nature of their country. Russia is not a part of the imperial core. There is no such thing as "patriotic socialism" in Russia any more than there is in Iran or Vietnam. Socialism in countries that are threatened by imperialism is by definition "patriotic". This does not have the same reactionary implications it does in the US.

Also, the KPRF only support the current Russian state insofar as this is necessary to be allowed to operate in Russia. If they could, they would much prefer to restore the Soviet Union. What they don't support is the destruction and balkanization of Russia by imperialist forces, as indeed no communist should in any country that is in the crosshairs of imperialist aggression.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also, the KPRF only support the current Russian state insofar as this is necessary to be allowed to operate in Russia. If they could, they would much prefer to restore the Soviet Union. What they don’t support is the destruction and balkanization of Russia by imperialist forces, as indeed no communist should in any country that is in the crosshairs of imperialist aggression.

My view is that arguing about them being controlled opposition is like arguing that the CPC was controlled opposition of the KMT during the Japanese invasion in ww2.

In the grand scheme of things, Russia is a nation under siege even if the SMO makes it seem like they're the ones doing the siege and the KPRF chose to mantain an united front, we'll see if it's a succesful strategy or not.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Agreed. The hostility may not be as overtly violent by United Russia toward the KPRF as it was by the KMT (who committed actual massacres) toward the CPC, but there is nonetheless open aggression by the much larger and dominant ruling party against this smaller opposition party in the form of vote rigging, dirty political maneuvering, media warfare, arrests of its members, etc.

In my opinion a big part of why the "controlled opposition" accusation appeals to some western leftists is because they are not used to communist parties actually being a meaningful force in politics in their own countries. But to remain that the KPRF has to, for now, operate within the bounds of the bourgeois law.

We could argue about the validity of their choice to pursue an electoral strategy for now (though that is far from the only thing they do), but we have to remember that even Lenin said that whether or not to participate in a bourgeois parliament is not a matter of ideological dogma (always right or always wrong), but rather is determined by the present conditions.

From a dogmatic ultra-left perspective choosing anything other than "we need to do violent revolution right now!" will appear as "controlled opposition. To me, real controlled opposition looks like what the Bernie Sanders/AOC/Mamdani types are doing in the US.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

I just didn't have a better term off the top of my head. Conservative socialism isn't exactly a helpful descriptor but I didn't want to say like Tailism either or anything.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I think "socially conservative socialists" is a perfect term.

[-] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 week ago
[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago

That has a whole different connotation

[-] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

It's what I thought of, reading your original post. But I have a distinctly Western, particularly US, frame of reference.

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