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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track!

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it's simple, you just don't vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win

blowing up/ derailing the trolly also works

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

And there's no viable way to do that under the current system, which is why the track isn't connected.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i love how you concede that the system is so dysfunctional you can't even oppose a genocide under it and simultaneously expect me to to believe that individuals voting (or not) is somehow making a meaningful difference in the outcome

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win

THAT'S NOT HOW VOTING WORKS!

People have to vote FOR the OTHER party, or else the genocidal warmonger party wins anyway!

You are saying shit that is both moronic and factually untrue.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago

you know there's a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.

I voted for them last election and don't regret it

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.

No there fucking wasn't! Not one that could win! You're a goddamned liar and you are helping the fascists!

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago

there's no way anyone could help the fascists more than an 'opposition' party which routinely fails to actually oppose them

if the democrats had any principles and actually opposed fascism they wouldn't spend so much time punching left

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

there’s no way anyone could help the fascists more than an ‘opposition’ party which routinely fails to actually oppose them

Yes there is. By actively discouraging opposition to the fascists, which is what you're doing. You are literally delusional.

if the democrats had any principles and actually opposed fascism they wouldn’t spend so much time punching left

I'm not even saying you're wrong about the Democrats; I'm saying you're wrong about motherfucking GAME THEORY and MATH! Even acknowledging what you just wrote, YOU STILL HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM ANYWAY!

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two:

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme!

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago

i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao

organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil.

The stakes are the future of the world.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago

if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas

[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago

voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago

Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.

if voting for neither is the same voting for both, then can we formally acknowledge that my vote makes zero difference and maybe people can stop votescolding?

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

No, because voting for one is not the same as voting for neither/both.

Voting for the perfect candidate > voting for A > not voting > voting for B

The perfect candidate didn’t exist, but instead of choosing the second best option, you chose the third best option, and we ended up with the worst option because a lot of people did what you did. Thanks a bunch.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 3 weeks ago

It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes

[-] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes:

  1. The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path
  2. Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown
  3. The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two
  4. There are more splits off of each subsequent path
  5. Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that)

If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this?

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Either way, you gotta have your hand on the lever!

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, despite my sassiness towards you in this thread this is a true and wise observation that goes ignored too often. My disagreements are not pertaining to the idea of inaction constituting action

But hey, that's just theory...

GAME THEORY

this post was submitted on 30 Apr 2026
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