I've talked with socialists before. They had interesting reasons to justify socialism. They talk about how minorities come over the boarder and steal jobs, but claim that it's because the rich hires who works for cheaper, that's why this happens as minorities will work for cheaper. At first, I thought it was an unbeatable argument. But, if it wasn't for such government regulations, more jobs and competition would be available for these people. And if things didn't work out for people, they should just be able to homestead like what people once did.

Some socialists believe that late capitalism has caused our recessions. They see value in work, but not the dollar. My argument is that if it wasn't for the FED causing inflation, things wouldn't be so bad. Woodrow Wilson created a centralized bank, worse thing possible. And we had presidents ban the gold standard to top it all off, that's why money feels useless. If it was a finite currency (like bitcoin aims to be) then I see great value in it.

Honesty, I'd consider myself to be libertarian at the level of federal government. But less libertarian and more constitutionalist the closer to home it gets. I don't necessarily support government, but definitely governance if so to speak.

People like Ted K were definitely smart. He believed we should go back to the Neolithic era in the sense where we have our small local communities with direct democracy. In terms of freedom, and maybe happiness, that's the best option.