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A reminder that as the US continues to threaten countries around the world, fedposting is to be very much avoided (even with qualifiers like "in Minecraft") and comments containing it will be removed.

Image is of a Colombian campaign rally in support of Iván Cepeda of the left-wing Historic Pact.


As always, my weekly preamble is in spoiler tags below.

preambleThe unstable stare-down in the Middle East continues. Yet again, there's been little region-level change, but there have been some big escalations. Namely, the entity has decided to go further into Lebanon, with all the casualties and destruction that will bring them, while simultaneously abandoning bases elsewhere in the theater due to constant pressure by Hezbollah. Seeking to pressure Hezbollah away from their successful strategy of attrition on IOF forces that attempt to advance only to receive rapid onset symptoms of FPVdroneitis, they have also decided to resume airstrikes on Beirut, which is an obvious violation of the region-wide ceasefire that Iran may or may not militarily respond to, but they do seem very diplomatically displeased as of me writing this sentence. Meanwhile, Iran has responded to US drone incursions with strikes on Kuwait military bases. Trump has escalated his demands lately, so a return to war seems more likely than ever.

In Bolivia, Paz appears to be escalating in response to undiminished general strikes, with Congress allowing him to declare states of emergency at will, and therefore get the military more easily involved. In Colombia's runoff elections, far-right candidate Espriella won the first round of the runoff election with 43.7% of the vote ahead of left-winger Cepeda's 40.9%. Every poll had Cepeda beating Espriella by varying margins, so this appears to be a fairly standard case of the US putting their thumb on the scale; as the saying goes, they do not trust the population of Colombia to do democracy correctly and they couldn't risk them accidentally electing the wrong person.

Over in Sudan, the conflict appears like it is moving in a pro-SAF direction, with some significant military gains against the UAE-backed RSF, although the military situation is still fairly complicated. A potentially notable news item that I missed a couple weeks ago is that the US seems to have ended their strategic ambiguity over who they consider the true government in Sudan, as they now firmly recognize the SAF over the RSF. Why exactly this has occurred is a little beyond me. Could be because they see how the winds are blowing militarily; could be because they want to fuck over the UAE for some perceived slight (to be America's ally is fatal etc etc). The humanitarian situation appears no better though, with millions of people remaining in incredible hardship and near-starvation, and RSF-backed genocidal atrocities of the kind that Zionists would nod approvingly at.

Thankfully, China is looking at all these manifold crises and has dramatically escalated the speed at which they are writing strongly worded letters and are calling for a revitalized UN.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against the temporary Zionist entity. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

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English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
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English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

Mirrors of Telegram channels that have been erased by Zionist censorship.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Chana@hexbear.net 1 points 5 hours ago

You know it's kinda incredible someone could construct such a tortured conception of Marxism by way of a simple category error

Fun fact: most category errors are... semantic. Including many of those discussed by Marx.

I'm thinking your approach to disagreement is to just be unpleasant and act in bad faith until the other person decides it's not worth their time. And in defense, rely on obscurantism and straw men. Wouldn't want to reply to what the other person is actually saying, eh? This most recent reply doesn't directly address anything I said!

The issue isn't whether Marx used precise language (he obviously did); it's whether the core object of his critique is semantic

There's something you learn over time when you eventually become knowledgeable in one or more topics. Those who are naive, insecure, or simply unaware rely on obscurantist language. They love to use jargon in place of clear statements, directly as a substitute, to try and give the appearance of understanding, the appearance of belonging among the group they to become a peer in. Those who are secure, knowledgeable, comfortable in the topic? Yes they can use the jargon, but they try to do so for clarity, and do not rely on it to obscure.

Your comments consistently demonstrate the former, not the latter. The point is not clarity, but to be pedantic. Perhaps to simply avoid discussing what is actually at hand? You do seem to be averse to a direct conversation, to addressing what I actually say. Not just ignoring 90% of what I say, but then additionally taking the time to invent and respond to things I didn't. This quoted bit has both properties.

Precision in language: not a point I have discussed outside of you pretending at knowledge and constantly misusing socialist (and other) terminology.

Whether the core object of his critique is semantic: nah just quote me. What did I actually say about Marx and semantics? You are clearly averse to what I actually said, as it isn't that!

You suppose when Marx says something like, "Critics suppose [term] is [x], but it is actually [y]," he is making a semantic point about what a term means, he's not, you're conflating scientific correction with linguistic definition; that's a category error

See you don't even know what semantics is! In an example of pure irony, Marx often uses semantic points to actually point out category errors, that is literally what commodity fetishism describes. One of the things we're talking about. The commodities themselves do not truly have the properties with which they are allegedly imbued. Marx points this out: what does it mean when a commodity is ascribed those properties? Does it really have them? Can a commodity itself have them? Generally, no! Yet he critiqued political economy for doing so, for saying, say, that a commodity actually possesses value, obscuring the more accurate understanding that value is a "crystallization" of labor in production.

But why am I explaining this? You obviously don't care. You're belaboring the absurdly obvious point that Marx focused quite a bit on semantics to make his points, including the very first chapter of Capital. It's not a point even worth discussing, it's like you're trying to say the sun is purple and those who disagree are liberals. Is it a good use of time to tell that person what purple is and what a spectrograph might say?

When he corrects people on "value," he isn't saying, "Let's agree to define this word differently." He is saying, "You think value is a natural property of an object (like its weight), but I am proving to you that it is actually a hidden social relationship forced onto that object by the mechanics of capitalist exchange." That is a correction of scientific fact, not vocabulary

Now semantics is vocabulary...

"You say value is X, but it's actually Y" and you struggle and still think Marx isn't talking semantics.

You also confuse the presentation with the inquiry, another logical trap, the irony is Marx actually addressed this exact point in the Postface to the Second Edition of Capital. He distinguishes between his mode of inquiry (Forschungsmethode)

Oh do you want to have this discussion auf Deutsch to be extra pedantic? Vielleicht koennen wir. Oder nicht. Schade.

and his mode of presentation (Darstellungsmethode), the raw, chaotic, empirical reality of industrial England structured using a highly ordered, abstract, almost purely logical progression of definitions

More word salad. Nothing to be found here, it's not even connected to the premise you just presented. Forschung and Darstellung are not rejections of semantics in any way. You seem... deeply confused.

So yes, he uses a "lexicon-like" presentation because he is trying to peel back layers of a deeply confusing system. But the logic driving Chapter 1 is not the logic of language; it is the logic of the value-form as it actually evolved historically.

It is literally about defining the commodity, semantically splitting "value" to do so, and in the context of contemporary political economists' understandings, especially how those semantic category errors obscure the true relations. Can you read the title of Chapter 1 for me out loud? I wonder what Marx had to say about Ricardo and Destutt. Another way to tell newbies: they never read the footnotes.

Marx didn't invent the concept that abstract labor creates value; the historical development of the market economy invented it, and Marx is just mapping it

Tedious, irrelevant.

Also Marx did not create his lexicon out of whole cloth; it wasn't a personal or insular, his concepts: use-value, exchange-value, money, commodities, were the standard terms of classical political economy used by Adam Smith, David Ricardo, and Jean-Baptiste Say.

Tedious, irrelevant, though also not really correct. Marx did forward new meaning and language in some of those examples.

Marx's genius was not that he invented a new vocabulary, but that he took the existing vocabulary of bourgeois economics and showed that its internal logic logically led to crisis and exploitation, he didn't invent "surplus value" as a cool new word; he uncovered the actual, uncompensated hours of human sweat that bourgeois economists were hiding behind the word "profit."

More word salad. Now semantics is just inventing new vocabulary! Now we're discussing Marx's genius! Wouldn't want to discuss what I've actually said huh? Keep talking about literally everything else.

Also your assertion that "Ontology is virtually inseparable from semantics."

Oh you did eventually get around to mentioning something I actually said. Good job. Pat on the back.

while the new vogue in certain branches of modern linguistic philosophy completely misses the entire point of his materialist inversion of Hegel

I assume this was meant to be a complete sentence and thought but ended up as... whatever this is. Not parseable.

For Marx, social ontology (what exists) exists through physical human practice, completely independent of whether we have the language to describe it

Cool story what does it have to do with what I said?

A 19th-century child factory worker in Manchester didn't need to understand the "semantics" of surplus value, nor did the factory owner. The owner didn't have to read Marx to exploit the child; the objective, material pressures of market competition forced him to do it. The social relation happens in the physical world first. Language just plays catch-up

Look at how long it takes you to say simple things. How many words, how things must be injected for no purpose other than to give the trappings of familiarity.

Cool Marx described phenomena, description didn't create the phenomena. Wow. Oh amazing. I can't believe it. Blowing my mind here. Next you're going to tell me Newton didn't invent gravity. Give me time to recover first, though. And try to keep that revelation to fewer than 4 paragraphs.

Capitalism's distortions are real illusions generated by the material act of exchange, but that doesn't mean you overthrow the structural laws of capitalism through semantics; it will continue to function smoothly until the material relations of production are physically overturned

A straw man addressed in my previous comment. Just shameless behavior.

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