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[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Which is why my biggest critique of 40k will always be James Workshop are too much of cowards to let another faction be a decent fucking foil for the satire of the Imperium. So long as the fash-inclined fans can circle back around to "Well the Imperium may be bad, but it's worse everywhere else!" you've lost as a satirist. Stop ass-pulling Ws for the blueberries so they always come out on top smelling like roses so you can sell more toys, and actually stand by the idea that there is a viable alternative to human fascism in your fictional setting; instead of leaving that to the interpretation of the most media illiterate people in the history of the concept.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

They had a chance with the Tau but then went full gommulist mind control and sterilization of humans. I'd argue the Eldar are still probably better since they more or less have FALGSC, and them not caring about the lives of the xenocidal fascists doesn't make them evil, it makes them correct.

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I have a soft spot for the Orks. Yes, they’re brutal and violent, seemingly without much reason, but I think they’re just vibing with the senseless brutality of the rest of the galaxy. If everyone else was more chill I bet the Orks would be hanging out, partying, fixing up machines for fun, building skateparks and rollercoasters, that sort of thing. They seem like they have the least amount of overt malice or ambition for power. They’re in it for love of the game, and I think there’s an argument that that makes them the least worst out of all of them.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I choose to believe that thise particular Orks represent deviant behavior that would otherwise be frowned-upon by the bulk of Ork society.

[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One. The Eldar do have a superior society than the Imperium of man so I agree on that front.

On the other hand even with some of the darker aspects the T´au as a faction are still a much better society than the IoM with a focus on collectivism and unity. Like being a human auxillary/civilian on a T´au controlled world is vastly superior to living in the hellhole that is the IoM.

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This concept was introduced after fans complained that the initial T'au codex described the T'au in too much of a positive light, and that they were too "good" for the grim, dark Warhammer 40,000 universe. This also led to the introduction of the Vespid Communion Helms, which have a much clearer Orwellian feel that the Vespid are being directly manipulated by the T'au thanks to the helmets that are supposedly for "communication purposes."

Very cool of you james workshop

I originally thought the caste system was "problematic" enough to leave the Tau as visibly "Better" but still with hangups but they had to go and do it to 'em anyway.

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

The T’au who already are asian coded with their gundam esque armor surely do get a lot of oh they are ebul 1984 beehive added.

[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

The T´au allow humans freedom of faith btw. There are humans in the Tau Empire that still worship the God Emperor (if in a less zealous manner) that also follow the greater good.

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I don’t disagree with your assessment, but I’m sad that the 40K universe can’t be interpreted for what it is. The whole point is that there are no good guys, only flavors of galaxy-scale horror. It makes sense from a game design standpoint because you’re supposed to give up the idea that you’re furthering a righteous cause or participating in an evolving narrative. You’re just controlling an army against another army in one of countless battles that have no real consequence because there’s always another army and another battle. They state it right up front: “In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.” In that context, there can’t be any good guys, just different factions in an endless struggle.

But yeah, they don’t do a good enough job of reminding fans that the Imperium is only relatable because it has a human face, and is otherwise indistinguishable from any of the other factions in terms of being comically evil.

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