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Friendly reminder that that was the standard at the time.
For example, when Germany reunified lgbt people in East Germany lost all their rights.
Just call me untermensch, I know you want to you scratched liberal.
The US nationally decriminalized being gay in 2003. Fuck all the way off with US 1962.
I know there are no tone indicators over the internet so you missed the exaggeration so I'll say it again without the initial exageration- east german lgbt people lost a lot of rights during reunification
I'll bite.
What kind of rights did they lose?
The only thing I can find is the equal age of consent for same-sex relations vs hetero relations: 1988 in DDR and 1994 in Germany post unification.
Seems like a stretch to conclude that communist states were more LGBTQ-friendly based on this 6 year difference.
Look into which countries allow same-sex marriage. The only communist country that allows it now is Cuba. They legalized it almost one year ago!
That being said, communism vs capitalism is an economic discussion. It doesn't necessarily say anything about social issues.
They straight up had state sponsored gay bars and there was a massive state sponsored education campaign on lgbt people. During reunification they also lost massive economic gains, along the same line as what "why women had better sex under socialism" talks about.
Economics issues and social issues can't be isolated. Homeless queer youth are affected by economic policies.
Tbf marriage isn't as much of a priority given what rights marriage grants in Cuba. Cuba has been doing SRS for free since 2009 and has sponsored massive education and anti-bigotry campaigns. Gay marriage is important but not that important compared to a bunch of other issues.
Oh so we're applying the founding fathers owning slaves justification to queer persecution? Guess it's okay when everyone else is doing it.
Then again nevermind. I'm used to having our history downplayed by conservatives and reactionaries, including the ones that cosplay in red.
We have no choice but to keep an even more violent system because people who tried a less violent system were sometimes as homophobic as was standard at the time in most places.
Let us ignore the fact that the small island nation of Cuba has the best lgbt rights in the world. Let's ignore the fact that socialism most directly helped the poorest and most vulnerable of gay and trans people with their economic equalization in ways that "progressive" dictatorships of the bourgeoisie still don't. Let's ignore the fact that lgbt rights in the west were won by movements full of radical queer communists, not given out of the benevolence of capitalism.