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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Really? So the USSR and China during the cultural revolution were utopias where everyone had their basic needs met, and nobody went hungry?

I bet they link some bs survey about how life is great in China

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

China isn't communist anymore anyway.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Well, let's just see what happened during cultural revolution, sure seems like an improvement over what was happening before https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

Meanwhile, Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:

USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:

In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:

GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:

The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:

These are just some of the biggest technological and social achievements of the Soviet Union.

academic studies on USSR

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

So, how do people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.

[-] iByteABit@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I love how either no one anwers to these, or they claim they're made up after pretending that they're more informed and definitely not living in their own propaganda reality.

I bet the response to this will be that they don't have time for these walls of text because they're too busy working.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Probably because nobody is going to read a big wall of text like that, with the sole purpose of debunking. People have better things to do with their time.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago

TheRadBrad: "How conVENient"

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, you are comparing it to the US, which is about the worse country in the west that is still called "developed".

Do the same with Norway, Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Your choice.

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