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Companies that obtain and sell your user information should have to pay you royalties. Agree or disagree? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by K3zi4@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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Privacy concerns are a very popular and valid talking point on Lemmy, so I would like to gather your thoughts and opinions on this. (Apologies if it's already been discussed!)

Would you support this? Would it work or even be viable? (If it could somehow overcome the rabid resistance from these big companies). What are your thoughts?

Personally, I'm getting more and more agitated at the state of this late stage global capitalism, where companies have the gall to ask you to pay or subscribe to their products, while they already make money from you for selling your data. It's been an issue for a long time now, but seems to really be ramping up.

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[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

They shouldn't be able to obtain data beyond what's strictly necessary for the service, never mind sell it.

People don't understand the value of the data, and there's no good way to put a price on it, honestly. As in, no, just because Reddit or whoever can make 5£$€ a year off me, doesn't mean I'd be ok to sell it for 2£$€.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I understand the ideal here, but I do genuinely wonder, if a heavy amount of data collection is necessary for complex tech services to be provided at no monetary cost, then the obvious consequence of a policy like this will be paywalls. You see that with newspapers, where even the most obnoxious level of advertising generally isn't enough to cover costs.

And will people actually pay money to use something like Google Search, Gmail, or Instagram? Paid e-mail providers that respect privacy already exist, and people generally don't use them, because people don't actually care that much. Is it really appropriate for the government to outlaw a revenue model that people have clearly revealed themselves to prefer to direct user fees?

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The surveillance of this scale isn't necessary. I'm not against serving me ads based on the current web page I'm on right now. Or based on the current email or search, since the provider has access to that anyway (unless it's e2e). Or make a profile of me based on a voluntary questionnaire.

Some companies work like that and they survive just fine. It's absolutely not necessary to collect every little bit of detail of my life to serve me ads. It's only the predatory companies that do that, and especially the multi-trillion corporations.

Furthermore, those "free" services in exchange for user data may not even be good. Take Google, how they push everything that serves their needs, even if better alternatives are available (or were, before they were smothered).

I.e. crappy quality of Google search is well documented, Chrome no comment, Drive is pushed so hard that you can't get a Pixel phone with decent storage and most phones don't offer memory cards because Google makes it difficult... Etc.

So yea, I'm totally for limiting the collection of data to the barest minimum. There's literally no downsides to anybody except to the dystopian corporations.

Ed: that's not even mentioning all the dark patterns these corpos use to sign you up, or how you can't opt out or you have no choice because of monopolies. That's not "choosing" or "agreeing", that's extortion.

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