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Arguably where is the harm in making it allowable to all for it to be equal?
Arguably, men can gain more safety too, or are you claiming the same can’t happen to men?
What an incredibly narrow sighted view point.
How can men get more safety by this?
So you’re saying women can’t commit the same crimes that men can?
Do you commonly fear for your safety around women? It's not the same
Do you not think traumatized men might not? Me personally no, there’s also women who don’t fear for their life around men.
So… what’s your point? It applies to both sexes as I hopefully just helped you with.
Or of you the group that think the same can’t apply to men?
There's a big difference in the amount of traumatized men and the systemic oppression of women. Have you ever thought that maybe everything isn't about you? Do you actually listen to women when they talk to you or do you just go "but but men this men that!"
Of course there is, I never claimed otherwise.
We are just pointing out that the same can apply to men, if men aren’t included it’s not about equality, which is what EVERYONE should strive for.
I would be making these exact same arguments regardless of gender or races, as most people here probably would to. But there’s always a group of people (you, this is about you) that seem to think people fighting for overall rights are “men’s rights activists”. I’m sorry that you seem to have some bias in your life that all men are bad, but I myself am fighting for equal rights, not men’s, not women’s, equal rights.
I certainly don't think all men are bad but just putting fingers in your ears and going "I fight for equal rights for everyone!" extremely downplays real issues that a significant amount of women are facing. This feature isn't an "equal rights" issue, men don't need it because men don't face this problem like women do
Where am I putting fingers in my ears?
There’s no justification for having discriminatory options, and who’s downplaying anything?
SOME men will need it, and that’s discriminatory, I’m sorry your sexual bias isn’t allowing you to comprehend this. And it’s sad it will likely have to come to the same thing happening to someone else for it to change. So to say that men don’t face this problem is just outright ignorance.
I’ll ask once more time, where is the harm in allowing men to use it?
There’s multiple ways this will harm men and potentially women as well, it won’t fix anything, but that’s not a discussion I’m having with you. I am specifically asking what harm is there in having men use it?
I don't necessarily think it would harm men to have access. My problem is that every time something like this happens and is marketed specifically at helping women, all these men come in acting like they're the ones who've been oppressed for all of human history. This is another case of women wanting to be heard, but men want to make it all about themselves
Who would have thought that members of a specific group would be offended when they feel like they're discriminated against.
There is no systemic oppression of women and there never has been.
You're trolling right? What a wild statement
Not at all. I'm as serious as a heart attack. We've had three generations of people subjected to intense radicalization by feminists who have been in power and influence, particularly over children, for over a century, which is why everybody just accepts it as gospel and few have questioned it for decades.
But the truth is we have been heavily propagandized for generations by feminists who take advantage of the male and societal instinct to protect women in order to inject their doctrine into society and law without proper scrutiny.
People think feminists are the plucky underdogs who popped up in the '60s and finally convinced men to "share some of the power" that only men ever had, but the truth is that feminists (whether in that name) have been around at least since the 1850s and have been spreading radical lies about men and society since then. You can read the "Declaration of Sentiments" of Seneca Falls in, something like 1857 and the criticism of E. Belford Bax if you want to dive further into it. You can also read the crazy blatherings of Charles Fourier, who actually coined the term "feminism." He posited that a society should be judged according to how it treats its women.
What exactly is this evil propaganda? I've seen people be critical of our current wave of feminism but it's fascinating that you think first and second wave is bad too. I don't get it, do you just hate women? What lies are they spreading?
Let me be very clear here:
There is nothing that comes from the doctrine of feminism that is true or grounded in reality. All of it is false, from the wage gap to its stupid cousin the pink tax, supposed rape culture, the glass ceiling, and toxic masculinity — all of it. Every single item in the feminist list of grievances is false. It's completely ungrounded in reality. It's nothing but a fabrication from whole cloth spun from a place of hatred towards men and disdain and jealousy of normal women who are living their best lives.
But the biggest lie — the foundational lie that underpins every other lie and the entirety of the feminism movement is their "Patriarchy Theory," so it is sometimes called. (It's not a threory, it's just completely untested conjecture.) This is the idea that men have organized society (alone) to benefit themselves, and themselves alone, at the expense of the women in their own society. This abominable lie is the common thread that runs through every wave and variant of feminism. It is not true, and it has never been true. It has never been demonstrated, and nobody who purports it has ever bothered to subject it to nullification. It has merely been granted axiomatically.
None of the feminist doctrine has ever been supported by any real academia, but instead is supported by a beachhead of nearly-unassailable woozles in their own self-referential journals and articles. But we have gone for so long without challenging it because it's perceived to be in the interest of women (although, ultimately, it is not). In actuality, it comes at the expense of all of society and amounts to nothing but a misanthropic power- and money-grab.
Women have never, ever, not once been oppressed by the men in their own society. This lie, and every other one that derives from it, amounts to the entirety of feminist doctrine. It doesn't hold up to even casual scrutiny, much less any real fact-checking or consideration of historical context.
Fearing for your safety from relational aggression from women is completely rational. Women are just as aggressive as men — it just takes a different form.
The exact same way women and nb people get more safety. You're not that special. It goes both ways, the rate may be much higher one way, but it exists the other way too.