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The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but you're still going to vote for him, just like I'm going to have to...

We don't really have a choice.

But it's not enough for moderates to count on progressives voting for them in the general, that's not "supporting" to them anymore.

They want our unwavering support and complete refusal to criticize them before, during, and after assuming office.

They've been slowly creeping right for so long chasing conservative votes that they've got the same expectations of their voters that Republicans get.

I think more than a few of the party leadership truly wish Dem voters were more like Republican voters.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

We don’t really have a choice.

This is the real problem. Not Biden's age or his actual policy goals and achievements. It's that we know what we're getting and we know we won't be enthusiastic about it.

But ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and unlike last time I'm in a swing state and can't cheekily write in my favorite candidate without ending the world.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Enthusiasm for Obama died down once reality hit too.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

There wasn't ever enthusiasm for Biden, though.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Enthusiasm doesn’t lead to anything most of the time. Throughout history the greatest Presidents all had to make difficult decisions that either went against their ideals or were questionable if they had the right to do them. Anyone can run on grand ideas, but once you’re in the seat the unattended consequences are revealed to you, and unless your a monster who doesn’t care, they have to be dealt with.

An example that made me change my mind about some things under the Obama administration was watching documentary series on declassified CIA/FBI counterterrorism incidents. The number of plots they were stopping was overwhelming. And if those interviewed are to be believed those were only a small fraction of the situations they dealt with.

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