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If you think blowing up a pipeline is a good thing because it feels like you're saving the world, can I blow your head with a gun because I think that without oil people will starve?
See, when you want to use violence, I assure you that you won't win, especially the simps that support violence for climate nonsense don't know how to fire a pistol. Let's be civilized and avoid violence and aggression.
Maybe you should learn how to convince people with your ideas, regardless of how stupid, ridiculous, immoral, uneducated and propagandized they are.
Without doing a moral calculation, what I can say is that shooting people in the head is less effective in dealing with climate change then blowing up oil pipelines.
Blowing up oil pipelines will make it more expensive for oil companies to do business. This will decrease the amount of oil production which will directly effect how much CO2 is put into the atmosphere.
How effective will it be? Will it stop climate change? Those questions are unknowable at this point in time. But it is pretty clear that we're getting to a point where lots of people are going to start dying due to climate change.
I disagree with you, and I think if we stop using oil hundreds of millions will starve in days.
Do I care what you think? No, I don't give two shits about your opinion on climate change. I'm done discussing it. However, you're free to have all the stupid opinions you want. Just don't use violence because you don't have a monopoly on it, we all can do it.
Wait, about what? Are you saying that shooting people in the head is more effective in dealing with climate change that blowing up oil pipelines?
I agree with this, and I never said we should stop using oil. I think we should definitely use less though. We should try to use as little as possible. We will still need plastics for medical stuff.
A lot of people are about to die due to climate change. I think if you want them to not do violence, you had better start convincing them that they have a shot to survive this. Telling them that violence is bad is not going to do it. Honestly, blowing up a few pipes is pretty low price, all things considered. Things have the possibility to get much worse than some property damage.
I would 100% prefer that governments take action to slow down oil production and push hard for more climate friendly policies, but they are not.
the likelihood of u blowing off op's head is as high as the likelihood of anyone here blowing up an oil pipeline
I think that's another point trying to be made by the above comment...
Totally agree.
Btw, I prefer chacha20 🙃 ... you're obsolete!
Sir, this is !memes@lemmy.ml
Yeah, right. Go try to make a joke about blowing up airplanes in the airport then tell me "sorry, I was joking". We don't joke about violence without acknowledging it's wrong.
The excessive pollution is aggression. More people will die from climate change than from lack of oil, regardless of what you think.
In my opinion, you said a very stupid thing and I don't care about your opinion. I'm done discussing dumb climate change nonsense. So, as long as you're not using violence, I don't give a shit what you think as you're free to think all the stupid things you want, otherwise, I'll share the violence you're causing with you.
You're already sharing violence, by threatening people who would defend themselves from aggressors.
But since you don't care, are done discussing this nonsense, and are intellectually honest, I'm sure I won't see a foolish reply defending that aggression further.
Given this level of stupidity that I interpret as "you're not tolerant because you don't tolerate my intolerance", I guess we reached an impasse. And I'm not speaking just for this post, but in real cases where real violence is involved. You mind your own business, and I'll mind mine, and that's how peace is maintained. I have zero sympathy for anyone attempting violence then getting killed.
lol no polluters are not just like gay people
Facts don't care about your feelings
You're stupid for believing these are facts, so I don't care.
There's no believing in that climate change is going to kill significantly more people as it ramps up in the second half of this century; it will regardless of what we believe. Your opinion is the only stupid thing here
You're brainwashed and dumb. I don't care what you think. You believe all the nonsense you want, just stay away from us, the people who understand power-grab and how it works. You fuck up your countries as much as you want, and again, stay away from us, and we'll be laughing when you have no more food.
The moment you use violence, we will too. No more "discussion". Fuck that. I'm done pretending people like you aren't retarded. I encourage everyone to treat those retards like this.
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I mean if removing people from the equation is on the table then targeting billionaires with a carbon footprint of small nations would be the logical place to start.
That aside, this meme is calling for collective violent action against infrastructure. Your example is an individual violent action against a person.
Don't care. Violence will lead to violence.
Does self-defense count as violence? Because forcefully dismantling the oil infrastructure can save lives and it would be nonviolent as long as the police don't start with their violence.
Killing someone who will blow up oil pipes counts as saving lives too. Without oil people starve and hundreds of millions will die. It's a matter of perspective.
Violence is wrong. Period.
Does self-defense count as violence? Because forcefully dismantling the oil infrastructure can save lives.
Blowing up pipelines doesn't kill anyone. I know you think property damage is worse than murder, but sane people don't think that.
By the same logic, climate change doesn't kill anyone.
There is an appropriate place for coordinated political violence and it's absolutely never, officer ;)