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US Can't Deal with Defeat (consortiumnews.com)
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[-] asg101@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The U.S. doesn't give a shit about winning or losing any war, as long as their owner operators keep transferring $trillions from the working class to their offshore bank accounts. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc... all paid off nicely for the oligarchs.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they care insomuch as it affects the ability or timing to wage the next one

[-] asg101@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

they care insomuch as it affects the ability or timing to wage the next one

The U.S. has been at war with someone for 99% of their existence, nothing much seems to affect their ability or timing.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

well it can cause a shift in war plans so they have to do different wars that they weren't planning on, is what i meant

[-] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Of course, capitalists want to maximize profits - so long as their power isn't threatened. And in all three of these cases, they wanted to send a message to any other countries that would dare not toe the line: "you could be next".

While they certainly would have preferred different outcomes in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, they may well have succeeded in "containing" communism and intimidating independent thinking - certainly Gaddafi got the message and hoped letting in western oil companies would be enough appeasement. And we know how that turned out...

[-] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

So this might be what makes the Ukraine case different. The West is failing so hard to impose any difficulties on Russia that it's sending a different message to the world - that it can be fought and defeated, and that Global South unity might not only be possible but necessary.

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