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So... basically, Musk turned up at a studio and threatened the devs with a gun (which antique or not, could have been loaded and functional - shooting with antique guns is a thing) to make them put him in the game?
I know there's a massive cultural difference around guns between the UK and the US, but I'm genuinely struggling to see how "a man has turned up to our studio with a gun because he wants us to put him in our game" doesn't warrant a call to the police.
US gun owner here:
It 100% warrants a call to the police.
Sounds like assault with a deadly weapon, and if he took it out to show, then it's brandishing. It doesn't matter if it was non-firming because the target didn't know that, and typically these laws are written to be what "a reasonable person would believe".
Also, at the time this happened he was a known user of Marijuana and thus not eligible to own a firearm, as that rule had not yet been struck down.
Thanks for the explanation! It sounds fairly similar to the law here, where it's based on what a reasonable person would believe - so even waving a realistic toy gun at someone would get someone in trouble, if the person being threatened with it would reasonably believe it was real.
https://www.cronisraelsandstark.com/assault-with-deadly-weapon-penal-code-245-a-1#:~:text=Assault%20with%20a%20Deadly%20Weapon%20%2D%20Penal%20Code%20245(a)(,four%20years%20in%20State%20prison.
If this was in California he is absolutely guilty of assault with a deadly weapon based on what he has admitted to personally.
Don't believe the marijuana + gun = federal crime has been struck down
In the 10th and 5th circuit it is iirc.
It's still on the forms and the ATF can probably arrest you for it, but as of last month you would have 2 federal circuits of precedent.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dariosabaghi/2023/08/10/drug-user-cant-be-barred-from-owing-firearms-us-court-rules/
Yep. I like guns. I like old guns. I wouldn't show up to someone's job telling them to include me in their project unless I was invited.
He's rich, the law dose not apply. He could have paid his way out of a few murder charges too.
Hence why, when calling the police, you wouldn't say who it is. Just "a man" or "a person" has come in with the gun. Which happens to be true, since until proved otherwise, Musk can indeed be accurately described as a person. Whether he manages to wiggle out of it later is less important than the immediate problem of getting the gun-wielding lunatic out of the studio.
Kinda pushing things here, but I see where your coming from.
Yeah, hence why I said "until proven otherwise". At some point someone will pull the mask off and reveal the monstrosity underneath. But until then we have to be the bigger people, give the benefit of the doubt, and assume he is actually a human being.
It's unclear if this even happened in the US; CD Projekt is Polish...
Also consider that the gun wan apparently, no shit, a flintlock pistol. They may have thought it was a prop or something.
I have shot and killed a deer with a flintlock gun. They're not toys or props. He committed assault with a deadly weapon and the whole word is just like "Oh, that's just wish.com iron man. You know how he is."
I don't think the Polish are more likely to be fine with having a gun waved at them than any other nationality.
Grimes would have recorded at a studio in the US along with the other English language voice actors.
The English voice recordings for Cyberpunk 2077 were all done in London and LA. So it's basically sure that it wasn't Poland, and it's much more likely that it was LA than London in this case.
I assume it happened at a recording or mo-cap studio in the states.
Whether or not the gun was loaded, the person wielding it sure was, and it's much easier to say "Call the cops on him" if you're not worried about whether that guy might be rich and vindictive enough to ruin your life over it.
No matter whether Musk would have actually had any way of doing so, the fear of the possibility alone can be enough to cow you into compliance.
There are ways of surreptitiously sending a message to, say, someone who isn't in the room, without making it a very obvious call to the police. Or, for that matter, just dial the number on your phone and don't say anything other than "your gun is really impressive but I'm a bit uncomfortable with having it pointed in this direction". The operator on the other end will know what to do with that.
Because another way Musk could ruin your life is shooting you while showing off and waving a gun around, given that he is immature and arrogant enough to have loaded it, and reckless enough for his finger to slip.
Yes thankfully we have 911 by text in much of the USA now