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As long as the government has them, I need them. Disarm the government and I'll be marginally more open to compromise.
I’m not opposed to owning firearms at all. Disarm the government? Guess you want anarchy, and/or mob justice.
The truly fucked up thing is gun owners are so obsessed with firearms they let everything else slip away. Once they’ve taken everything else they can, they’ll come for the guns too. You’ll finally be right, but you’ll be dead. Fat lot of good that’ll do. Damn fool idea to be so myopic that guns are gonna defeat the government - and for that matter, what a shit world it’s gonna be if people are ever actually put in a position where they have to do so. They just skip to the end where they win in the imaginary battle. But what did they win? The right to be an ostracized and impoverished pocket surrounded by an enemy. Yay?
“Against the government” has to be one of the worst arguments ever.
I wonder if you're aware the extent to which this is deliciously ironic.
It’s not ironic when they’re doing just that. Just keep elevating authoritarians and see what you get.
Once more with the delicious irony.
I'm interested in your thoughts on how I've elevated authoritarians; you seem to know quite a bit about who I've voted for... or to be talking out your ass once more.
Generally if you support firearm ownership without stating nuance or conditions, it’s a high likelihood where you stand politically supports authoritarians, either willfully or via inaction.
Ah, I see - criticism and correction of your misunderstandings is supporting firearm ownership without nuance - a thing of freedoms and rights; therefore I'm an authoritarian.
With leaps like that, you could do gymnastics.
Huh. You make up “alternate facts” to suit your argument. You’re one of ‘em all right.
Freedom…your freedom to make the rest of the country suffer your hobby.
Interestingly enough, only one of us has referenced relevant materials on the matter - you wouldn't be projecting regarding your bullshit, would you?
Certainly not.
You may have had some ground to stand on there if you'd actually meaningfully engaged in the discussion and made an argument, perhaps provided actual criticism of addressed that made, but all you've managed to do is provide childish no, u!, insult, and deflection.
Fortunately, my hobby involves no harm to others and involves no items with agency or agenda of their own; it's quite impossible for my hobbies to be the cause of anyone's suffering.
I would say the county suffers from quite the violence epidemic, though, and unlike you, I actually argue for addressing it rather than taking offense a specific tool is used to the neglect of the actual suffering.
No, it’s not really interesting. Speaking with 2A militants is a waste of time. I’ve quoted statistics, scientific studies, framed 2A in founder’s terms (that’s actually a reference you’ve ignored completely), pointed out their lack of responsibility, and mulish obstinacy when it comes to firearms. Know how it ends? “ It’s a right…” so let’s skip to the end, finish with your snark and smugness, and walk away. You don’t give a fuck about it as long as you can buy your gun.
Only because you're so unbelievably entrenched in your opinion about the validity of a thing you seek to support it using whatever you can muster and, when that fails, you fall back on hyperbole, emotional appeal, defeatism, and insult rather than consider that you may be putting your conclusion before any support.
I seem to have missed those - were they in the form of hyperbolic bullshit? You have provided quite a bit of that.
ETA: Feel free to highlight where you've done so.
I see you're working on your projection.
I'd argue I care about the issues at hand far more given my arguments for actually addressing those issues rather than taking offense a specific tool is used to the neglect of the actual suffering.
But hey, don't let that get in the way of your narrative. You seem to be concocting quite the substitute for reality.