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Like, the last thing is true, but it's still a worrying indication of which way the wind is blowing (worrying is an understatement)
it absolutely is but they come in with such "Aha! I've caught you! I've identified the hole in your argument, there's no way you already knew that corporations don't like gay people!" energy
Did we read different posts? I know that I tend to come off differently from how I mean, but clearly the interest of the replies here is not entrapment. Look at this part of the OP:
I must give OP relative credit for the very last part, but taken at face value this generally seems to actually be insinuating that the bourgeoisie might be pro-lgbt and therefore worth siding with against reactionary workers. That's a catastrophic error and a case of severe miscommunication on their part if your representation of them is accurate to their actual views.
saying any bourgeoise is better than any proletariat is kind of a whack take but as a queer person, it's not the CEO of Walmart who's going to knock my teeth out at a gas station at night. Did he contribute to the material conditions that right-radicalized much of the proletariat? Yes. Obviously the bourg is the ultimate evil. But no doubt that given the current state of things, the reactionary proletariat needs to be handled ASAP. I get the gut reaction against them.
I was also careful to say "these posts" because (at the time of writing at least) there's nothing too crazy in here but I've seen way worse in some other threads of a similar type.
"handled ASAP"
What do you mean by this specifically? Because until you turn off the reactionary font of capital pouring in brain-scrambling ideology and creating conditions of alienation, this is attempting to bail out the titanic with a spoon. Even if some portion of the proletariat hold reactionary worldviews, there's nothing for us to do about it still strategically except target the reactionary source (capital). Attempting to "handle" them individually with violence a la carte, in class collaboration with the bourgies, is an insane thing to propose on a communist site and should be called out for the reactionary class collaborationism it is
I don't propose a solution, I just think it's just a little rash to go straight for capital while we're still fielding attacks from half of the proletariat too. A solution might look like some kind of rainbow-coalition style organizing to recapture some of the reactionary proles, but I have no idea. One thing I'm very sure of though is that letting this turn into a violent inter-proletarian civil war is about one of the worst possible outcomes, because the bad guys will win, and very quickly
Agreed, and a surefire way to that happening is having half of the proletariat fighting on behalf of "good" corporations and allowing corporations to control the political organizing of a bunch of the proletariat, causing ideological confusion and chaos
if the half of the proletariat fighting on behalf of “good” corporations you're talking about is the liberals, I wouldn't worry too much, they won't fight for anything besides a seat at the brunch table. The only fighting is going to come from the evangelical fundamentalist side.