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This whole discussion is fucked, everyone is using the word "see" differently because our language is not built to talk about mental abstractions.
You know how schizophrenia can make you see things and people? Can you experience the visual effects schizophrenia at will? If you said you are a "1", is that what you mean by "1", or is it, in some way, different than that?
If it is different than that, at all, other people who have the same perception as you are imagining that you can trigger literal hallucinations.
I think it's like this: there's multiple layers to the process of seeing something. Light enters the eyes, it's converted to an electrical signal in the nervous system, that signal is formatted into the "video feed" in our brain, and that picture is matched with existing patterns we know. Visualizing something is working backwards from the resultant pattern to produce possible inputs that would match. It doesn't go to the video feed level, but it goes to the intermediary stage where patterns are being matched to a picture. Less "what are traits I associate with an apple" and more "how does it feel when I recognize an apple?"
Exactly. And when someone posts 4 pictures of apples and says "I see this" and its literally 4 different images, it only makes sense to think they are seeing images, but they often aren't, even when they insist the image is representative of what they see.