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Listen, I get that you don't like what this woman is doing. I really do. But the solution isn't to invalidate testers as a legal concept, that's what you're not getting. The solution is for Congress to amend the ADA to allow for some sort of curing mechanism on notice issues. Not for the Court to issue some overly broad ruling that invalidates the "tester" concept that's proven so crucial to proving racial and gender discrimination, which this plaintiff has built her case atop. Maybe there's a way for them to thread the needle to smack her down and keep that legal concept alive, but I'm not counting on it with this particular Court.
The nation, and you as a disabled vet who benefits from ADA protections, benefits more if she prevails or the case is mooted, than it and you would if the Court decides to undermine the legal concept of a tester. You have to think beyond your initial revulsion over her suing where you think an email would do, the ramifications are bigger than that.
In the meantime, sounds like you have an idea to needle your Senators and/or Congressman about updating the ADA. Seems like the rare bit of legislation where the business lobby might be onboard with helping the little guy instead of fighting it tooth and nail.
Maybe because I'm not saying that should happen?
I'm saying there needs to be a process (or at least a single step) between checking random websites and suing small businesses...
I don't know why people aren't getting that, but I get the feeling continuing to explain isn't going to help
I don't think anyone disagrees that there should be an intermediate step.
That's just a problem for Congress to solve, not the Court. The Court is not going to add that step in (nor does it appear the Defendants have asked for that). Congress could end this woman's trail of lawsuits ~~tomorrow~~ as soon as the House picks a new Speaker.
What the Defendants are arguing is that because she had no intention of staying at the hotel, there is no harm. If you buy into that, then by the same principle, someone who inquires about an apartment to prove that a landlord is racially discriminating can have no standing because they weren't actually looking to move at that time. I know you probably don't see those as the same, but that's the concept the Defendants are arguing against.