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see linked post. I believe this would count as one of the examples given in the federation policy https://lemm.ee/post/401063 :

An instance which is knowingly spreading CSAM into the federated network

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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

if you say something horrible you get shunned

very-intelligent People are rational actors and naturally know that bad ideas are bad.

If that's how it worked we wouldn't have fascists everywhere right now.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

True there are a lot of stupid people out there but if I were to say something horrifically racist in pretty much any company I can be fairly confident I would be told exactly where to shove it though

[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

It's so cool how you solved racism in your head just now.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's definitely not universal. I personally have heard people say racist, transphobic, etc. stuff without anyone shunning them because they were co-workers, relatives and other groups you can't shun without things getting awkward. Besides, aren't you in fact advocating for not having Nazi and pedo shit around, since the obvious analogy for being shunned IRL would be getting banned online for being a Nazi or pedo?

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[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Yes racism just corrects itself. That’s why there’s famously no racism happening anywhere

[-] Scew@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago
[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Racism has dramatically reduced in recent years, used to be people would make racist comments in casual conversation and nobody would care

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

The vast, vast majority of racism is not done through casual conversation. I hope you understand that.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

True. That definitely can't stop it influencing people's decisions at least in the short term

I'd still like to think in the long term younger generations are less racist and would replace older ones stuck in their ways that currently hold all the power

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

People still do that, it just depends on the company. Between this and some other comments, I think you are extrapolating far too much from your own anecdotal experiences.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

If this was true, racism would be eradicated. It must further be stated that, though many racists are very ignorant, ascribing racism fundamentally to "stupidity" is just as worthless as ascribing it to "evil". It is a moralizing account that cannot be usefully applied as systemic critique because it is all supposedly a matter of personal virtue.

People are racist as a strategy to prosper, first and foremost. It is not until you understand racism as a social strategy that you can fight it.

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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and if you kept doing it, would you be asked to leave? would your "free speech" be "violated" by exclusion from decent society? I'm struggling to see the contours of your argument, where exactly you draw the line between "censorship" and "social pressure" and how you imagine that ought to translate to online spaces?

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Nah dude I just said that people should be prevented from spreading Nazi or Pedo shit and you come in here with your contrarian bullshit.

Free speech does not, and frankly should not exist.

You said something horrible in your implicit defense of Nazi and Pedo shit being allowed to be spread. Now you are getting shunned for it. How's that working out for you?

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

ah yes, the free market will fix it. the "marketplace of ideas."

gtfo

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

if I were to say something horrifically racist in pretty much any company I can be fairly confident I would be told exactly where to shove it though

What Saturday morning cartoon do you live in bro?

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