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Palestinian uprising on a scale not seen in 50 years just started (edition.cnn.com)

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God help them. The slaughter to come is probably beyond our imagining

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[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago

The choice of this area was a surprise to Komzet; the area had been chosen for military and economic reasons. This area was often infiltrated by China

General Pavel Sudoplatov writes about the government's rationale behind picking the area in the Far East: "The establishment of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Birobidzhan in 1928 was ordered by Stalin only as an effort to strengthen the Far Eastern border region with an outpost, not as a favour to the Jews." The area was constantly penetrated by Chinese and White Russian resistance groups, and the idea was to shield the territory

In the spring of 1928, 654 Jews arrived to settle in the area; however, by October 1928, 49.7% of them had left because of the severe conditions. In the summer of 1928, there were torrential rains that flooded the crops and an outbreak of anthrax that killed the cattle

Weird that it wasn't more popular

[+] LordBullingdon@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

Plenty of decisions of the central committee and the politburo during that time were aimed at securing the Soviet Union, which includes actions against reactionaries and white army terrorist leftovers especially in border regions and those in which power couldn't be projected well into. However the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, while having a slapping flag that would make our 2SLGBTQ* comrades proud, never was home to more than 20 000 people labeling as Jews, who remained a minority and who were also not as much in political control as the name implies.

More Jews fought in the Red army than lived in the JAO.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Wasn't a large contingent of the Jewish population in the JAO Canadian Jews? The project was doomed partly because Soviet Jews already had a place in their communities more or less.

[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

The project was doomed partly because Soviet Jews already had a place in their communities more or less.

Since the worst antisemitism of the Tsar was ended with the October revolution and the years after it, that rings as if it could be true.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Keep in mind the resurgent antisemitism post WW2 in several Eastern Bloc countries was over a decade off at this point and the idea of Jewish nationalism had greatly diminished. For various reasons it came back and caused a huge reaction ( ie the rootless cosmopolitan campaign) and split in communist Jews. So end of the 20s they are riding high and integration and an embracing of Yiddish culture was a very clear reality for most people. The JAO had significant Canadian Jews come, and the USSR in general attracted a lot of the diaspora in this time because it was actively fighting against antisemitism.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

It's ok we can't all devote minimal time studying history

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Keep in mind Sudoplatov is famously unreliable. Even western historians doubt his memoirs and the man was incredibly bitter, spending the rest of his life from being sacked after Beria fell slandering the USSR, taking credit for every success, and being very self serving. Wikipedia using a whole paragraph for his view uncritically is pathetic, particularly given his own wiki page stresses his untrustworthiness. He got reinstated during Glasnost and said this shit

The Soviet Union—to which I devoted every fiber of my being and for which I was willing to die; for which I averted my eyes from every brutality, finding justification in its transformation from a backward nation into a superpower; for which I spent long months on duty away from Emma and the children; whose mistakes cost me fifteen years of my life as a husband and father – was unwilling to admit its failure and take me back as a citizen. Only when there was no more Soviet Union, no more proud empire, was I reinstated and my name returned to its rightful place.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Ok of course ol' Pladoplatov is the only source for the RU-CN border conflicts or the area being a climatological F location. Tell me more about his memoirs

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sudoplatov wrote his works decades after he was disgraced and kicked from the party. He was writing as a bitter man for sensationalism and self-aggrandizing. His memoir "special tasks" was sold to the west as this grand tell-all, only to quickly be rescinded by the US press like NYT after historians pointed out how sloppy it was and that no one had consulted other sources. He overstated his intelligence influence in the Manhattan Project, making it seem that many figures had been assisting him, and that the Soviet atomic bomb was the product of his intel, and not Soviet scientists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/09/27/pavel-sudoplatov-89-dies/46d6e456-cf25-40e4-aeef-2b0e2f69b59b/

The FBI and SVR both heavily criticized the work.

Now the border conflicts are real. The north was controlled by the Republic of China which was backed by Japan, the KMT had tried and failed with the first Northern Expedition in 26-27. The Soviets had already dealt with Japanese invasions during the Civil War and threats made to their Mongolian People's Republic allies. In December of 1927 the Communist uprising in Guangzhou happened and was put down, causing the KMT to cut ties to the USSR. So come 1928 Japan, its allied government, white emigres, and the KMT all existed as threats in the region. The whites had a couple armored trains operating in the north as well which they used to fight the KMT, and in 1928 when the KMT won they captured a train and tortured the Russian mercenaries in a very public manner. The expedition also was a factor in Stalin and Trotsky's split, with Stalin wanting to support the KMT and have the CPC join them.

However it wasn't till 1929 that full border war began between China and the USSR, and the Soviets won that definitively, so clearly JAO going along in development was not solely to plug a gap. Though the Far Eastern Bureu did deport and imprison the Chinese population after this conflict and moved Siberians and Europeans in instead. Sort of a trial run for later deportations.

edit: wait are you being sarcastic? Obviously Im not claiming the only info on this comes from him, my point is wikipedia uncritically citing him and a statement that the "only" reasons something happened was pertaining to his field and work is suspect and not a good source. The existence of these events is not in dispute and you'd have to be very dense to think that was what anyone was implying. It is the validity of Sudoplatov's claim and its definitiveness that is in question.

Every source that is used belies a bias and constructs a narrative. Them using one from an untrustworthy guy that just so happens to simplify everything down to "Stalin didn't care about the Jews at all" IS telling. It is not adequate and needs to be given the caveat at the very least. Actually challenge wikipedia's choices of sources

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