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submitted 1 year ago by redfern45@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

We all know the hypocrisies of the pro- Israel stances, I’m not going into specific arguments but it’s just everywhere. Normal people seem to have bought in even quicker than they did with supporting Ukraine. it’s awful. Free Palestine.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well the way liberals view Ukraine is not factual. Ukraine was couped with the assistance of neo nazis and the US in 2014. What Israel is doing to Palestine, is what Ukraine wants to do to the eastern regions of their country. Zelenskyy even said that Israel is a model for Ukraine to follow in a post war era.

So, if you look at the facts of the situation, it makes perfect sense why liberals can support both Ukraine and Israel, because while the ideas may seem in conflict ideologically, the ideology is factually incorrect, and there is no conflict in the reality of the situation. Thus the contradiction is solved.

[-] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The long-term defense project, once Israel was completed, was to create more Israels. There is this evolution of strategy from the intelligence sector of capitalism. You have to divorce foreign policy completely from domestic. That way citizens don't feel like it affects them, even though we know it does. War and imperialism can then become a spectacle, and a cultural thing. Then you remove public oversight of foreign policy by hiding operations behind private companies and NGOs. That way you can raise money and move assets without direct oversight. Even better than a series of private companies carrying out the work of foreign policy would be an entire shadow economy. A whole country with its own GDP and its own government and its own culture that appears completely separate from the US. That country can then produce, consume, act, negotiate, etc on behalf of US interests while maintaining the appearance of independence.

Once you have that going then you just do that everywhere you want to be. Israel was positioned to challenge Russia and China. Russia isn't a problem in the way that the USSR was. So now the goal is to get closer to China. Israel is the access to the middle-East and North Africa. Ukraine is the access to Eastern Europe. So the next move will be to increase South Korea's position by playing on the exact same things we've seen so far. Then it's on to Taiwan. Which will be one of the last stops before all-out direct confrontation with China.

All this is why liberals are on board. Democrats abandoned the anti-war left after Vietnam. 9/11 gave them an excuse to go full on warhawk. And now they're all for intervention, policing, and war. There is no opposition to the capitalist project and that project includes building these FOB countries all over the world. To ultimately destroy the remnants of communism and finally end history.

Of course, they'll likely destroy themselves before getting there and if they do get that, that'll destroy them. Because you can't end history.

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