What's the best response to someone who believes in hard determinism but also uses this to deny responsibility for any immoral actions they commit? (lemmy.world)

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That is, they think all of their decisions were preordained, and then use this to claim that they can't be held responsible for anything they do.

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[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Let him read the following dialog between God and a mortal considering determinism. It's actually not very theistic, but merely presenting the free will problem in a logical manner.

It's by logician Raymond Smullyan and it shows how untenable the position of extreme determinism is, without polarizing.

It's one of the things everybody struggeling with the free will vs determinism should read.

https://web.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/godTaoist.html

[-] philoneous@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I was preordained to not read this.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago

Not really, you're just being obtuse, that's ok.

[-] philoneous@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It was just a joke my friend (I actually did read it).

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

Then the seal of paradox is broken, let all weep at what shall come.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago

That's ok too

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